Gunslinger Cheney:3 of 3
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A Discussion on the Events Surrounding Cheney’s Use of a Shotgun to Fire a Group of 1/8 Diameter Lead Projectiles into Wittington, and Wound Him in the Heart and Face.
Chatteristi:
Patriots: Doss, Enzer, Gangi, Guera, Gurjar, Hog_rider, Kewp, Luvy, MysticMatrix, Rigelianian, Sackman, SFChris, Spektre, Vanax, Watsup. Rightwingers: AwsomeGod, Cicilia, Clummer, Crosseyedmary, Delmer, Gunther, Hornball, Intrepid, Ogarlic, Tejanobob, TaoKapow, Trapscott, VooDoo
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Guera: Hog, that is true. I find the blowjob trivial. I don't find a shotgun blast to another person trivial, but I do think it's put the focus where it does not belong. Again, you're correct, but, it's at least placing a "focus", where before there was none…maybe, this will embolden the press to force the administration to address the important issues but, I'm not convinced it will.
Hog_rider: Guera, Hmmm...dunno. Maybe that was the choice Cheney gave Wittington, and opted to be shot.
Guera: Mystic, The entire message of the Cheney hunting incident should be evident and placed in the perspective of the other issues I purport to be of greater concern; and that is...THEY ASSUME THEY (Old Cold Warriors and Neocons) ARE ABOVE THE LAW.
Rigelianian: yes Guera they do indeed assume they were above the law. Although I would say that the vice president had the legal right to decline to meet with law enforcement for an interview... at the same time, it does give rise to the possibility that he was smashed when he fired the gun.
Tejanobob: Guera, and that (thinking that one is above the law) is the scariest thing of all. That OUGHT to scare the hell out of ALL of us, regardless of our party affiliations.
Clummer: Spectre, what do you care about what Cheney was doing?...I am SURE you only expect the worst, think only the worst. That's fine.
Rigelianian: Vanax how could the sheriff get a breathalyzer if the vice president refused to see him prior to the next day?
Vanx: Rigelian, So how can Cheney, as the nation's second most authoritative law enforcement officer, get away with not turning himself in? Seems to me that it's at least a local crime to shoot someone and perhaps even a state crime that he needs to report immediately.
Gurra: Rigelian-why does the v.p. have any right that citizens do not have?
MysticMatrix: Hog, We know what Cheney is doing because he shot someone.
Hog_rider: No Mystic, what we know is what he didn't do after shooting someone.
Vanax: MystiMatrix: Let's keep him hunting and shooting his Halliburton lawyers. Only that way can the public be sure that he is not doing anything worse deep inside his super-secure, top-secret basement in an undisclosed location in rural Virginia.
Rigelianian: Guera, he doesn't...but no one has to talk to the police if they don't want to. Remember there is the fifth amendment (against self-incrimination). but that does not preclude law enforcement officials from taking in the common person for the very same thing Cheney did...and you know it.
Vanax: Rigelian, I wonder if the 5th Ammendment, being a part of the Constutution, even applies to Cheney, a person who agrees with AG Gonzalez who says that the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper," presumably meaning irrelevant? Seems to me that if you regard the Constitution as being meaningless, you should live out this principle all the way and not be just a situational user of the Constitution.
Luvy: Doss Sorry I heard Cheney say he had a beer at lunch. He sure did and here it is the quote:
"HUME: Was anybody drinking in this party?
"CHENEY: No. You don't hunt with people who drink. That's not a good idea. We had -
"HUME: So he wasn't, and you weren't?
"CHENEY: Correct. We'd taken a break at lunch - go down under an old - ancient oak tree there on the “place, and have a barbecue. I had a beer at lunch. After lunch we take a break, go back to ranch headquarters. Then we took about an hour-long tour of ranch, with a ranch hand driving the vehicle, looking at game. We didn't go back into the field to hunt quail until about, oh, sometime after 3:00 p.m.
"The five of us who were in that party were together all afternoon. Nobody was drinking, nobody was under the influence.
Doss: Kaslin, No, the transcript that you just pasted from the Post is NOT what Fox aired on TV with Hume. They (FoxNews) changed the transcript.
Clummer: You dems better quite worrying about Lame Ducks and come up with an agenda for the next election....Just some friendly advice.
Vanax: Clummer, Rightwingers can't give friendly advice.
Clummer: I am trying to help you so take my advice.
Vanax: Clummer, Rightwingers -- you are one -- don’t know how to help, except to violently help themselves. It’s called selfishness and murder. Look it up in your Bible on how Christians live. That’s what your bloody Halliburton/Bechtel war in Iraq is about.
Rigelian: But Guera, law enforcement officials decided not to do that. It’s not so much as the vice president exercising rights that the rest of us don't have, it's a matter of local law enforcement (Sheriff Salinas) engaging in malfeasance.
B: Vanax: and Gurjar: How could the "hokey" sheriff's dept do a breathalyzer on Cheney if Cheney's Secret Service detail wouldn't let them near Cheney until the next day. I don't have a problem with it not being reported to the press...but a regular citizen would not be able to keep the sheriff's dept at bay like that, which I think was not good.
Doss: Kaslin, I'm watching the Cheney interview right now. On my recording of it, this comes 19 minutes into the program. Rather than have Cheney admit it on air, Hume admits it for him, paraphrasing, that Cheney said he'd had one beer. This spared Cheney the spectacle of the embarrassment of the public seeing him admit it himself.
Doss: Clummer: Here's how they did it. They taped the interview. They didn't want to embarrass Cheney by having the public see HIM admit to drinking before shooting Whittington, so they edited that part out for TV. In its place, FoxNews slipped in Hume who quickly breezed over the bit about the beer, and then moving on.
But they left off Cheney's remarks in the official transcripts. In other words, the transcript you read in the post and at Fox is NOT what was aired.
Don't believe me? Watch your recording of the interview and read the transcript along with it. You'll see, of course, that I'm telling the truth.
Vanax: B, yeah, you or I, well maybe I, could not keep the smell police at bay while we sobered up, but Cheney has the political power to. *S*
Gurjar: B and Vanax, Cheney is not a regular citizen.... he is above the law. C'mon. Its wartime. The Al Qaeda is attacking you. Are you a traitor or something? How can you even think of questioning Cheney?
Doss: Kaslin, I'm not lying. I've got the program cued up in my DVR right now. Media Matters is exactly correct. Fox edited out Cheney's admission. Read:
"Vice President Dick Cheney's decision to grant an exclusive interview to Fox News anchor Brit Hume apparently paid off, as Hume neglected to ask obvious questions and Fox News curiously decided not to broadcast Cheney's acknowledgment that he drank a beer before accidentally shooting a hunting companion in the face.... Fox News chose not to broadcast Cheney's acknowledgment; instead, Hume paraphrased it in setting up the interview, thus sparing Cheney the embarrassment of the public seeing him acknowledge that he was drinking before he shot a man in the face -- and depriving the public of the opportunity to assess his credibility as he talked about the matter."
Button (http://mediamatters.org/items/200602160003)
Watsup: Mary, if a person is under the influence of alcohol when he shoots another person, Mary.... how is there "no Crime?"
Doss: Mary, I'm not an expert hunter. But I know not to wheel around and shoot behind me on a quail shoot (and not shoot a person).
Ogarlic: Doss, besides cheney prolly takes loads of drugs for his fucked up body..sheeit, cheney was smoked out there..weaving around and pulling the trigger LOL..betcha the rest of the hunting party started to dig rifle pits and trenches, while waiting for his ammo to run out. LOL
Ogarlic: Doss, a man on heart medication that knows hes fixing to go hunting.
Doss: Ogarlic, You're assuming he exercises good judgment - after admitting he does NOT use good judgment.
Crosseyedmary: Watsup, because it was not illegal to drink and use firearms on private property in Texas. And if you insist I am wrong, show me the code.
Doss: I've never known anyone with TWO DUI'S to settle for just one beer.
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Watsup: Crosseyedmary, It is illegal to shoot a man, Mary....it is illegal to shoot a man if you have been drinking......why did Cheney not allow himself to be interviewed immediately after the incident?......and why did the "witness" lie when she gave the story to the paper.
Ogarlic: What kind of a dope would go hunting at sunset anyway..them birds would wait til morning since they were in cages LOL
Crosseyedmary: Doss, there was no crime, it was an accident. The police weren't investigating. They would have asked him to provide a statement at his earliest convenience. Just like any other hunting accident.
Vanax: Crosseyedmary, nearly everything about Cheney's hunting trip was an exercise in bad judgment. If he uses bad judgment during a simple hunting trip, on a provincial farm, well, he is, and has, probably used bad judgment on his job too. Just think of how many people he could injure, using the same bad judgment, on the larger, international scene! *S*
Voodoo: Vanax is a expert at knowing what it is like being a total fuck (screw) up.
Doss: Vanax, you say that "nearly everything about Cheney's hunting trip was an exercise in bad judgment," yet Delmer asserts Cheney knew better than to mix excessive alcohol with his heart meds.
No, I don't buy it. I assert anyone who'd wheel and shoot BEHIND him on a quail hunt would ALSO mix hard liquor with heart meds.
Ogarlic: Planoman, I don't give a fish's tit if it sets in Texas at 2 pm. The point is that the dope went hunting knowing the light was fading. and btw we now know it happened over 30 minutes after it was reported originally happening.
Vanax: Mary, If Cheney can detain suspects all over the world, then surely he should detain himself and turn himself in for being a witness to a crime of illegal hunting and a near death of a coworker.
Spektre: Perhaps we can talk Cheney into going on a hunting party with Osama
Doss: People, Rightwingers are in the unenviable position of arguing - YES, Cheney has the GOOD judgment NOT to drink before hunting; but NO his judgment is SO POOR, he'd shoot BEHIND his position on a quail hunt and gun down a fellow hunter.
Vanax: Doss, it makes one wonder if Cheney delayed turning himself in to make sure that the whole hunting party, whose members were probably lobbying and being lobbied, get their stories straight on how to present the lobying, if it ever came up, in as minimal a fashion as possible.
Doss: Vanax: It's pretty obvious that they held the cops off so that Cheney and crew could get their stories straight.
Ogarlic: I say that Bush should station Cheney on the messican border and provide him with a couple of cases of Bud and all the ammo he needs..by Crikey, that would put an end to illegal immigration. Of course, Border Patrol would have to face Cheney toward the USA, and then allowed to pivot 180 degrees.
Watsup: CrosseyedMary, Someone could have, Mary...that is why the "incident" should have been investigated by law authorities immediately after it happened, since Cheney stonewalled, we do not know whether a crime was committed or not, do we?
Vanax: Cross, I wonder if the hunting party was hunting for more fat cat, no-bid contracts for Halliburton, and doing this in secret with Cheney.
Ogarlic: Kaslin, but that was no real hunt; It was a vanity shoot out. Even the Cheney ppl said the birds were caged, not wild birds. LOL
Vanax: What kind of possible no bid contracts were the hunting party hunting for with Cheney? *S*
Sackman: Hot off the presses!
Sheriff, deputy explain responses to Cheney shooting;
By NANCY MARTINEZ; Scripps Howard News Service; February 15, 2006
SARITA, Texas - The Kenedy County Sheriff's Department feels at home with the Secret Service and the powerful people who go hunting on the Armstrong Ranch, but is out of its comfort zone with the media circus that the Dick Cheney shooting incident has attracted, the sheriff said Wednesday.
No one in the federal government has told Sheriff Ramon Salinas III and his deputies how to do their job, Salinas said. He was the one who decided not to go to the ranch to investigate until Sunday, the day after Vice President Cheney shot and wounded Austin, Texas, lawyer Harry Whittington on a quail hunt. Salinas based the decision on witness accounts and advice from people on the ranch he knows and trusts, including a former sheriff.
“Everybody's been saying there's a cover-up from the time they heard about this,” he said. “That is not true.” Slinas said he was barbecuing with his family at 5:30 p.m. Saturday when he received a call from sheriff's Capt. Charles Kirk.
“He told me he heard of a possible hunting accident on Armstrong Ranch.”
Minutes later, Salinas got a call from a U.S. Secret Service agent.
“He said the reason he was calling was to officially notify the sheriff's department that the vice president was involved in that shooting accident.” Soon after, Salinas said, Kirk called him from the Armstrong Ranch gate. He told him he was there with a U.S. Border Patrol agent who didn't know what was going on. “I told him don't worry about it. I'll make a call,” Salinas said.
Salinas called Ramiro Medellin Jr., a former sheriff who lives on Armstrong Ranch and works as a ranch hand. Medellin called Salinas back and confirmed the incident was an accident.
It was at this point that Salinas decided to wait until the next morning to send an officer to investigate the incident.
“We've known these people (witnesses) for years. They are honest and wouldn't call us, telling us a lie,” Salinas said. “I talked to an eyewitness who said it was a definite accident. We knew Mr. Whittington was being cared for."
Doss: I'd be willing to bet all my TN properties that they were all pretty much legally intoxicated.
Ogarlic: Planoman, a controlled hunt” = caged birds. Shit Cheney dont care. He would blast a 10 piece bucket of KFC. He just loves to shoot. LOL
Vanax: Watsup: It obvious to us intelligent chatters that if Cheney had nothing to hide, he would have made the report right away. As a former police officer, I liked to put that notion to suspects. *S*
Enzer: They open the cages and shoot the birds as they hop out the door? That isn’t how it works. They simply release birds into the field before the hunt so insure that there is game to be flushed.
Doss: Tomcats on the prowl.... drinks were served but they only had one? Come on, guys. What fucking turnip boat did YOU just fall off of?
Ogarlic: Mary who said they opened the cage doors, poor ole unca dick wouldnt get a good shot that way. Shit, just “peppers” em right in the cage LOL
Crosseyedmary: Vanax, Cheney was a suspect for what? There was no crime, there was no suspect. Nobody had to turn themselves in. Nobody did. I can see it now. “excuse me officer, I am here to turn myself in.”
“why?”
“I dont know.”
“then go home.”
“ok”
Vanax: Crosseyedmary, your script is wrong. Cheney would of course know that he shot a man. *S* He would have instead needed to say, “Sheriff Salinas, I broke the law, so I am turning myself in before my liquored up self shoots you too. My hateful self needs either rehabilitation or a bit of penitentiary time to make myself into a penitent because I am not one now.
Intrepid: Vanax, Cheney mistakenly did not reveal right away that he shot a lawyer. Had Cheney said, "I shot a lawyer," he would have gotten a cheer from the public. *S*
Spektre: Hell, if Cheney really wanted to hunt, he could have gone to Abu Graib. They got a good gig going on over there to find who stupidly obeyed his command to torture, this having been a fall back plan to designate a scapegoat when all hell breaks loose.
Kewp: Watsup, Probably, Wittington discovered Cheney making it with the other woman, so Cheney shot the guy. Cheney seems to be rutting around in grass with the quail, downing a 5th of wild turkey, while the sun is going down, and hiding in the bushes from the cops all night
Vanax: Sackman, If I were Sheriff Salinas, and wanted to cover all the bases, leave nothing to chance, I would not rely on no former sheriff, a ranch hand, and a civilian, to describe a shooting by the vice president. I would be there myself, getting all the facts in person. I would take charge. Salinas sounds like a local boy not to be trusted with a federal incident. A fuckin’s chicken scratching for feed could have done a better investigation.
Watsup: Delmer, Crimes are often covered up by claiming them as "accidents", Mary....don't you ever watch Columbo?....
Vanax: Cheney should have reported in person to Sheriff Salinas and told him his side. Then the sheriff should have taken depositions from all parties, not relied on some good ol' boys and gals for a possible cleaned up story. Salinas looks really bad, an insular provincial, a local yokel, in an incident that demands a detailed, objective investigation, which it was not.
Sackman: Vanax, It sounds to me like he was waved off by the secret service, and he went along with them.
Vanax: Sackman, You better believe if I were Salinas that I would demand to be more than a jock strap holder for Cheney's secret police.
Delmer: A shooing accident when you are hunting is a normal accident.
Doss: Delmer, Really? (Just a minor) Shooting incident? Do you hunt with nitwits?
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