Crosseyedmary

Sunday, 3-19-2006 (831 words)
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Chattatonics
Classical hero: Natchez
Archaic Gorgon: Crosseyedmary

Note: In Greek mythology, the three gorgon sisters were monsters having snakes in their hair, hands of bronze, boars tusks for teeth, terrible grins, beards, scaled bodies, and gold wings. While the mythical gorgon’s glance turned the beholder to stone, a chat gorgon uses vile, redneck language in an attempt to destroy a chatter.

Before the Crosseyedmary gorgon can destroy chat hero Natchez, he instigates the gorgon to implode by having her reveal her true redneck self by lashing out at several fellow chatteristas. She does not hesitate to entertain us all with a display of the lowest form of pedestrian language used by any chatter that I have seen so far. This includes chatters from WBS Politics Chat, BigBob’s Chatroom, and here, the latest rooster’s perch for our community, the Boston Tea Party at sfwest.com. Unbelievably, her vileness has even managed to top the troika of malice: Zulz, BHL, and Prap, making them look quaint.

On the other hand, and by contrast, notice that her grammar and syntax are good. And her chat also benefits from being colorful and energetic. These are positives. In the end, however, her vile form of speaking, in toto, does not justify the use of such a high percentage of foul words, as well as those that are tainted, in everyday communication and especially in such a short chat. After gorgon Crosseyedmary suicidally imploded, her ghost went to chat hell where it continues to terrify the shades of dead chatters like Whipple and Copper.

I was not brought up to speak foul-mouthedly, but with the belief that the use of clean language benefits society and me. And I am not around people who speak despicably, but then I live in a university community where most are educated and, indeed, show it, at least on the outside. God only knows how many of them, if any, might be Crosseyedmary-like on the inside.

It saddens me to hear anyone speak in such a way so, while it also entertains me -- and is the main reason that I include this chat here -- I also include it as a good example of an unreasonably foul-mouthed form of verbal expression that Rightwingers need to stop emulating. Let’s itemize the offending words.

The directly offensive ones:
1. Fuck
2. Nutsack
3. mu(n)ching-rug
4. shit
5. dirty
6. circumcize
7. ass
8. beasts

I can only guess what “mu(n)ching-rug” actually means. Can anyone define it for us? If you know, click the comments link at the end of this article.

There are also otherwise neutral words used in conjunction with the foul ones that, because of the context, are tarnished enough to be also counted:
1. yourself
2. coming
3. pregnant
4. inhaled
5. bucket
6. Men

Assessment
In her chat of eighty-six words, Crosseyedmary employs eight that are foul and six that are adequately tarnished, for a total of fourteen, comprising sixteen percent of the vocabulary she used in this chat.

Also of note is that she directs her foul-mouthed invective, not to just one chatter, but to several, and to the entire male gender as well: Natchez, Txrenegade, Grrl, Henry, Dosset, and men.

It would not be a stretch to conclude that Crosseyedmary uses what many regard as being the language of a sailor.

- begin -
Natchez: How many of you REALLY think Crosseyedmary is a woman? *S*

Crosseyedmary: Natchez, go fuck yourself.

Crosseyedmary: Txrenegade, think so? Try coming near me. I'll circumcize you at the nutsack.

Crosseyedmary: Grrl (who is openly gay) is worried about reproductive rights...as if she would ever get pregnant by mu(n)ching-rug.

Crosseyedmary: Henry, well...if I stuck my face in a bucket of shit and inhaled really hard, I might be able to stop laughing.

Crosseyedmary: Dosset is dirty, he dont wash his ass.

Crosseyedmary: Men are beasts.

Crosseyedmary:: Billflett is almost as crude as Natchez....

Crosseyedmary: : vanax...shut up already... sheesh... what a dossnatch!

Well, there you have it. Gorgon Crosseyedmary makes her inaugural remark with “go fuck yourself” to one person and wraps it up with the sweeping generalization that “Men are beasts,” perhaps indicating that she makes generalizations about men from too small of a sampling -- one in this case --, to justify her conclusion. *S*

Endnote: After Crosseyedmary read her chat above, she accused me and Natchez of altering her posts. This, of course, is not true: Natchez has none of my passwords that would allow him to enter my blog to make alterations. This restriction, therefore, makes it impossible for him to alter Crosseyedmarty’s posts. The chats are recorded verbatim, and I made no alterations to the content. Any editing was made by employing punctuation that clarifies, specifically to distinguish the chatter from the chattee: I added a colon (:) to the end of the chatter’s name and a comma (,) to the end of the chattee’s name.

Example
Crosseyedmary: Natchez, go fuck yourself.

But I suspect that the gorgon Crosseyedmary was shocked, perhaps embarrassed, to see a record of her own despicable language, so attempted to throw doubt on the veracity of her posts and on my honesty in order to moderate the negative impact her contemptible language was having in the formation of opinions made by others about her. Shifting the blame, a common logical fallacy, and one often used by Rightwingers, was here used by her.

In essence, she lied in her reaction, and I was surprised that she did not own up to her very own words that I correctly record here.
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file: Crosseyedmary.rtf

Tejanobob

3-5-2006 (769 words)
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Chat Duelers
Literati: Benden, Gangi, IamCowboyJake, SALTCLOUD, SaPanther, Vanax
Illiterati: TejanoBob, Zulz

Note: One day, long ago, TejanoBob and Benden engaded themselves in a heroic poetry duel. Luckily, I was there to capture the best stanzas. Rigel introduces the innovative concept of “spam haiku.” It may have potential for development in the field of unsolicited online advertising.

- begin -
TejanoBob
Benden's only entertainment
Is wrestling old people to the pavement.
Trying to steal their social security
I doubt he'll outgrow his immaturity.

Benden
TejanoBob is tired, he’s had enough.
So then he shaves old ZULZ stuff.
He sticks his prize into a jar
And labels it, my golden star?

TejanoBob
Heh heh heh heh . Obviously, Benden thinks HE's emenem. I think not.

TejanoBob
Easy to make boasts you have no intention of backing up.

TejanoBob
Benden accuses others of being freaks
as his own identity he desperately seeks.
You see, he has none in the realz.
And before his "friends"he nightly kneals.

vanax
Tjb, are you saving this duel? I hope so. I want it.

TejanoBob
Are you kidding? This is drivel. I'm not saving it.

TejanoBob
WE can only guess what medication Benden takes.
The only erection he gets he fakes
When he gives himself a finger
wave and hollers, "SNAKES."

gangi
I think my six year old twin grandsons could do better.

TejanoBob
Well, Benden, I'll say this ..... your verse is better than your normal drivel.

TejanoBob
I thought I'd die from laughter, and satisfaction too
The night that Benden reached for the KY Jelly
but grabbed Superglue.
What a shock to his for his one-night stand.
It's a damned good thing it was only his hand.

Benden
TejanoBob and Zulz they masturbated
They realized they were constipated.
They grabbed their forks put on their bibs
And fed each other laxatives

TejanoBob
Benden, Your verse is beginning to make no sense (because it's disparaging Zulz).

Zulz
Benden ate dog shit
He liked it
He didn't spit it out
He is a sick bastard, no doubt

TejanoBob
Benden's only entertainment
Is wrestling old people to the pavement.
Trying to steal their social security
I doubt he'll outgrow his immaturity.

TejanoBob
Benden accuses others of being freaks
as his own identity he desperately seeks.
You see, he has none in the realz.
And before his "friends"he nightly kneals.

SaPanther
if ya's were really good, ya'd be doin' hiku !!

Rigelian
if you're really really good you'd be doing spam hiku...

SaPanther
spam hiku ... *LOL*

TejanoBob
Well, Benden, I'll say this ..... your verse is better than your normal drivel.

TejanoBob
I thought I'd die from laughter, and satisfaction too
the night that Benden reached for the KY Jelly but grabbed Superglue. What a shock to his for his one-night stand.
It's a damned good thing it was only his hand.

TejanoBob
WE can only guess what medication Benden takes.
The only erection he gets he fakes
When he gives himself a finger wave and hollers, "SNAKES."

TejanoBob
Benden accuses others of being freaks
as his own identity he desperately seeks.
You see, he has none in the realz.
And before his "friends"he nightly kneals.

IamCowboyJake
At everypoint in time,....someone in pop/rock music/culture is being vilified. I'm sure that people like Madonna, Courtney Love and Marilyn Manson survived all the tsk tsking,...just as enenem will too.

TejanoBob
When it comes to the intellect department, CowboyJerk just doesn't have it.

TejanoBob
Benden feels he must post, even if it makes no sense.
If he holds it in it makes him tense.
The pressure builds, and his eyes bulge out.
And he just has to explode in the drivel he spouts.

TejanoBob
Why is Benden so interested in scatological things?
He's always checking out what my diet brings.
His right to a hobby I don't refute,
But I wish he'd find a different pursuit.

Fifteen minutes pass by

vanax
While Gangi could spar with TejanoBob
Her brain is fixated on her grandsons
Whatever for; They don't even chat here.
It's time for Gangi to sip some beer. *S*

TejanoBob
Poor vanax .... Your poem is a day late, and a dollar short. Seems to be a liberal thing.

SaltCloud Cloud does the Polyanna Rag

Saltcloud
TJ and Bendon like to stand....
toe to toe and hand to hand....
And though they both spout out much drivel....
they are in fact in real life civil.

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file: TJBob

Dora

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (1698 words)
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Cast Of Characters:
The sane: Dora, Imzadi, Ladys, Vanax
The insane: Mystysea, Sirsocal

Note: Dora chats about tomatoes and MistySea exhibits nostility toward them.

- begin -
MistySea: Vanax, a couple of years ago Hillary referred to Al D'Amato as Senator Tomato. That's bigoted, but went by the boards in the mainstream.

Vanax: Misty, so do you wish that your Rightwing media would call Hillary anti-tomato?

Dora: Are there any Italians here?

Vanax: Dora, you know I am italian. I was born there.

Dora: Vanax... would you be insulted if I called you tomato? .

Vanax: Dora, You are making me laugh. Generally, no. But it would depend on who said it. For example, if Farrakhan said it repeatedly as he growled at the audience, well, that would transform the vegetable reference into an ethnic slur. Still, I am not sure if I would feel insulted.

MistySea: Dora, would you be insulted if someone called you a “fucking Jew bastard”?

Dora: Misty... yeah fucking jew bastard is slur no question... except it kinda loses its meaning when hurled at non jew...

MistySea: Dora, how about if I called you a bagel?

Dora: Misty... nope I certainly would NOT get upset if you called me a bagel... would be far better than other stuff Ive been called here *L*

Dora: Misty...You can call me bagel or tomato any time...

SirSoCal: Dora, Why would anyone want to call you tomato. It seems to me that, if anything, you would be called a bagel, right?

Ladys: Dora, you are not insulted when someone calls you a bagel?

Dora: Ladys... actually I would prefer to be called tomato rather than bagel... tomato sounds sexier somehow

Dora: Sure SoCal... or ma petite chou if you like... that means little cabbage ya know *G*

SirSoCal: Dora, Would you be offended if I call you a banana?

Dora: SirSoCal, whats wrong with banana?... I think that could be kinda sexy.

Dora: I have to get some sleep... I even enjoy sleeping

Imzadi: Dora, how can you enjoy something while you are unconscious?
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file: DoraFromMedit.rtf

Gemini

Sunday, 3-19-2006 (547 words)
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Chatteristi
The sane: Dora, Gemini, Spektre
The mildly insane: HogRider
The insane: Danger

Note: Let’s remember that a Rightwinger recently invaded Gemini’s private life. You can make of it what you will from reading Dana’s chat on my blog. The chatter Gemini was so disturbed, outraged, and felt so violated that she had to abandon chatting here, especially chatting with that chatter, for a few weeks to sort it all out. Luckily, Gemini returned and here she displays her thoughtful posts, primarily with another thoughtful chatter, Spektre.

- begin -
Gemini: Spektre, I wonder how many abortions are performed, daily, on teenagers who come from very conservative households... *Shhhh...this will be our little secret*

Dora: Gemini, well it's probably not gays who are having abortions.

Spekter: Gemini, if they have greater means to money, and a private doctor...likely there will be no, or certainly LESS statistics on this. If abortion were made against the law, the only ones that would have them are well to do girls.

HogRider: Gemini, You need to look in Pol's ass for the answer.........................

Gemini: Spektre, I used to work at a Jesuit college, two blocks from Planned Parenthood. Guess where the majority of the Planned Parenthood services went? Then guess where the majority of their support came from?

Danger: Gemini, Jesuit faculty was using Planned Parenthood?

Gemini: Hint: The (abortion ) supporters were NOT the same as those most likely to use the services.

Spektre: Money buys anything, even if a service (such as abortion in some states) is illegal, money allows you to get around it. If abortion is made illegal, this will allow well-to-do girls to still get them, perhaps from private doctors, who will refer them to a doctor in canada or something. The black girls, poor girls...off to the alley and a coathanger would be my bet.

Gemini: Spektre, majority of services went to students and faculty/staff at the college. Majority of support came from the off-campus community. Gemini: Spek, in other words, it was not the ''welfare moms and daughters'' as Reaganzo the idiot indicated that would do it most likely, it was mostly well to do families, white women.

Spektre: Gemini, which is why I would never support making abortion illegal. I'd approach it from the other side to reduce it, and that is through education, and increased access to healthcare and contraception. Yet the religious right, or at least a good portion of them, don't like that avenue either. What they want....then...is to hold women, especially poor women...down.

Gemini: Spektre, absolutely. Contraception and ''pregnancy alternatives'' have always been more available to women with the means to purchase them. Poor women have babies.

Danger: Gemini, not if I have anything to say about it.

Gemini: Danger, people won't stand for outlawing abortion. If abortion were outlawed, the pro-abortion people would be making as much noise as the anti-abortion people do now. The only reason the proabortion people don't make noise is they are not worried about losing the right. They are in the majority, after all.
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file: Gemini

Imzadi New

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (1698 words)
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Chatteristi

The Found: Bon, Dy, IamCowboyJake, Imzadi, Kewp, Pinko, Spektre, Vanax,

The Lost: BlackTygrrrr, Boneman, Heyheyjulia, HoneyBadger, Yabutt, PanMan, Rona

Note: Imzadi’s inner warrior is Zena, a mythical warrior conceived in comic books and popularized on TV. In previous chats, Imzadi has not denied to collecting gonads -- calling them “nads” -- that she stores in jars in her basements to dry. It is alleged that sometimes she brings them out and tucks them under her pillow to act as a sleep inducer. If true, being close to severed nads is probably a calmative that helps her fall into deep, satisfying asleep. Imzadi is admired for this skillful pratice that she usually performs on chat Pods. Chat Podology is a concept Spektre originally introduced. He defines a Pod as a chatter displaying the behaviors of a lemming in combination with ignorance. Imzadi’s cutting reaction (not recorded in this chat) sometimes compels even those who are otherwise intelligent and patriotic perform defensive obeisance at her feet. Example:

Doss: Imzadi, Sorry.....but I get all syrrupy and sweet when you come into the room and kick the shit out of rightwingers. *S*

She is also admired for being a skilled writer with impeccable syntax. If only bad writers could learn from her, all the rains would stop and all storm would go away.

- begin part I -
Imzadi: I don't know. The chat room said I don't have an inner life. I don't. So, how it is going would be pretty irrelevant. Right?

Heyheyjulia: Oh gawd, I think Imzadi is about to spill her inner self

Dy: Imzadi, your only problem is that you talk too much and divulge your innermost self. of course you don't realize it.

Imzadi: Dy, since I began chatting here 8 years ago, I've made it policy and very well known that I find it a waste to share my inner self. Whatever that is.

Then Imzadi proceded to waste time sharing her inner self that she could not identify.

Imzadi: Well, besides being psychotic, I am pathologically psychotic and am messianic and a bitch.

Pinko: imzy..u have coals in your stockings? must make u walk funny!

Imzadi: I don't deserve any cards. I have no heart.

Imzadi: pink jellybean more likely someone will toss water on me and melt me.

Imzadi: I don't know. I do know I was commanding a million man army in the dream. I guess I am a megalomaniac

Imzadi: Doss. I think these chats actually help the participants. I view myself as a teacher, not necessarily a teacher in a formal classroom, but more like an ancient Greek philosophyer. My role is to affect people and hope it has a fundamental ripple effect generations down the road.

BlackTygrrrr: Wow...it must be armageddon...i completely agree with imzadi...shaking head in confusion.

Imzadi: BlackTygrrrr, if you agree with me, then you are in serious trouble. According to HoneyBadger, I am a bitter old cow. Therefore you too will be a bitter old cow by association

Imzadi: Well. One of the psychologists at work did call me "bitter" the other day, but then I had to consider the source. She used to be a cheerleader when she was in high school and voted in as "miss popular."She was chatting me up and pretending to want to be my friend for the umpteenth time. But she strangely never had actual time to actually spend a lunch hour. So I told her what I thought of this behavior. And she said I was "bitter"

BlackTygrrrr: imzadi...i could agree with both of you then and pull a clinton...you could be a perceptive bitter old cow, since perception and disposition are mutually exclusive, not to mention

Imzadi: If an old cow were perceptive, then it would not be bitter unless it was actually perceiving a world where, if one perceived it correctly, the proper emotional response should be to be bitter *G*

HoneyBadger: Zadi: My position? On what? Whether you're a bitter old cow or whether a person is actually comprised by parts of those he/she agrees with???

Imzadi: HoneyBadger, Yes. I am trying to figure out your position. If someone agrees with me 100% of the time, then, to you, is the person who

IamCowboyJake: Imzadi: - if you were a bitter old cow, Devo wouldn't be so jealous of you. lol.

Imzadi: You make the presumption she is jealous of me.

Imzadi: I am blessed that I am not condemned to have to think with testicles

mzadi: Don't accuse me of being sweet

vanax: But you have your moments!

Imzadi: What a horrid thing to say! I am not sweet so don’t have those moments.

Imzadi: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Spektre}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Turns into sugar and give the Spook a big hug.

Imzadi: Spektre. What was the name of that Chinese emperor who sat on a wicker chair on top of a bunch of tied together rockets so he could go to the moon?

Imzadi: Oh. I found the name of the guy who sat in a wicker chair on top of a bunch of rockets: Wan-Hu. Yes. Wan-Hu is like Bush deploying an ABM system.

Spektre: Hey Zadi!!! I believe that was Emperor Ming.

Vanax: Hi Spek, this Missile Defense is bugging me cause I see no rational reason for it. The latest boogieman Bush & Lott trotted out is some "enemy from space". I don't see no enemy about ready to throw bombs down at the US. Do you?

Spektre: Vanax...thats because THERE IS NO rational for it....except welfare for the defense industry

Rona: You know, I don't like Bush.....but I think that it is a wise thing to try to defence his country against some crazy states which have missiles..

Imzadi: I don't know why anyone would arrive at the conclusion I am sweet. Maybe I need to castrate more people

Imzadi: Imzadi: proves to Maxwell she is not sweet.

Imzadi: Major Midknight. Just as there is no blood in your kidneys, there is no blood in my veins. Only ice water

Pan Man: zadi isn't anything outside of the scope of religion "of the devil"??

Imzadi: Then I MUST be the devil!!!

SaPanther: Major .. if you think so little of science, why don't you try using your faith to survive ?? The ONLY reason you are alive is because of science!!

~Private Message Sent to Zulz*~

Prapius: Zulz, I have a crush on the bitch Imzadi. If she told me she likes me I would treat the world better.............!

Imzadi: Crapus, No need to insult me. Geez. Here are your nads. Slice and eat them.

Boneman: Would not be a good place to have a crush on Zadi.

Imzadi: That is correct. Having a crush on me is not good. It would be like, well, it would be like being locked in a small room with an angry cobra facing you.

Imzadi : I am one who fertilizes the minds of trainees and gets them to understand the ways of the Force. Master Dosset and Natchez are the ones who concern themselves with the logistics of who will do the fighting.

- begin part 2 -

Imzadi: Dy, I feel that I could chat about my feelings and innards, but then, I could chat about it with any third world illiterate peasant. It takes no education to chat about feelings. Any dweeb can do that. Why squander time chatting about inner selves when there are people who read here to chat with? If I want to chat about inner touchy feely stuff, I can go find a peasant on the street and do that. It takes no education to engage on that subject

Imzadi: Besides, I've spent so many years ignoring my inner self, that i don't think I have one anymore and good riddance to it

Dy: Imzadi, well thank you and you just devulged yourself. Honestly I must admit. Hugs.

Imzadi: Dy, besides, no one ever asks me about my so-called ''inner self'' They just accuse me of having different things in my ''inner self'' So, since they already assume they know my inner self, then why volunteer something if they never ever ask?

Imzadi: Julia, believe me. It's empty: nothing there. Got rid of the damned thing long ago.

Dy: Imzadi: keep your inner self to yourself.

Yabutt: Oh hi imzadi hows the migraines?

Imzadi: Yabutt, seems that glutens were the main culprit. Under control now.

Yabutt: Imzadi, well the last message i read from u was drunk

Imzadi : Yabutt, sorry to disappoint you. I don't get drunk. I have no need to escape from my inner experience. You see, I don't have an inner experience. I am superficial and shallow and have no demons bothering me. Hence, no need to drink.

Yabutt: Imzadi, well u should cause i am really drinking now

Imzadi: Yabutt, but the sauce hasn't hit your mean streak yet.

Yabutt: Imzadi, Zadi are u suzy?

Imzadi: I wish i were THAT creative (like Suzy). Sorry. No. I even have suzy on iggy since I reclassified her as a purely non-political. If she were even 1% political, i'd not iggy her. But she is pretty worthless.

Yabutt: Imzadi, U are telling me i have a mean streak what did i ever say mean to u?

Imzadi: Yabutt, when you get really sauced up, you take a baseball bat to everyone in the chat room. But you never remember because you go so deep into it, you go into blackout stage

Vanax: Zadi, then you are a Vulcan?

Imzadi: That would be ideal. They are heartless, like me.

Imzadi: Right. There is no such thing as ''sin''

Imzadi: SFChris, America could use a good depression and economic collapse. It would teach them a lesson like the last great depression did.

Yabutt: Imzadi, she is u and u are her that was so funny

Imzadi: Yabutt, I can't be Suzy. Suzy is all sugar and nice. How you possibly think I'd have any niceness in me? That's sick.

Vanax: Zadi, but Vulcans have something of an emotional ''demon'' in them. You would be OK with just a bit of their kind of demon inside you.

Imzadi reveals that her inner self is a demon.

Imzadi: Well, since I am not Vulcan, I opt to just love my inner demon

Yabutt: Imzadi, ok so tell me what i dont remember that u remember i dont remember?

Imzadi: Yabutt, don't worry about it. you can be mean to me. You've done it for years and I don't hold it against you

Doss: I've always thought Imzadi was nice.

Imzadi: Dosset, You're not supposed to think that. Thought-crime

Imzadi: Yabutt, I don't really care that you were mean to me. Doesn't matter

Kewp: I cant see zadi's feelings gettin hurt in a chatroom

Imzadi: Dosset, you have to have a spine made of jelly to allow what people say here to hurt your feelings.

Bon: When you look at pictures of Imzadi you have to realize right away that she simply must be laughing at so many of you who think this character she has created for chat in some way resembles the actual person behind the curtain.
- end –

File: Imzadi.rtf

Abortion Chat

Wednesday, 3-9-2006, (753 words)
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Chatteristi
The sane: Dora, Gemini, HogRider, Imzadi, Kewp, Natchez, Pfrog, SaPanther, Spektre, Unsoma, Vanax
The insane: BlackTygrrrr, ChristianAreGood, Danger, Gunther, MajorMidknight, PolInc, TaoKapow, Yabutt

Note: Freewheeling chat on abortion.

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Gunther: Im shacking up with Prap, he has offered me a room.
Pfrog: Gunther, no one here is gettin' any, stud.
TaoKapow: Kewp, men fuck. then go off and do other things. women can't seem to.
TaoKapow: Cecilia, most veneral diseases can be prevented by only having clean women, and rubbing your tackle with alcohol afterwards.
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- begin -
PolInc: Poor women shouldn't be fuckin'...

Natchez: PolInc, Neither should home schooled nitwits like you (be fuckin’).

SaPanther: PolInc made the classic conservo mistake in here - he provided a cite that torpedoed his own claims ...

HogRider: If abortion becomes illegal, I think many people will quit screwing.......................

Turaloora: Natchez, a poor woman can get condoms at planned pregnancy. No excuse to get pregnant Natchez: Turaloora, And by GOD I'm going to make it MY business (Uhuh)!!!!! *S*

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Unsoma: Natchez, celibacy is the answer.

Natchez: Unsoma, not if you don't like sex.
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Imzadi: It seems to me that as the dollar begins to seriously sag, the US loses the war in Iraq, and oil rises sky high, they won't be able to have the luxury of trying to divert people to abortion.

Kewp: I sometimes support the right woman making decisions with my body, however.

PolInc: SaPanther, if it's MY sperm, it's MY pregnancy....

Gemini: I'm getting some WHILE chatting...and painting my nails. FACT.

Imzadi: They are trying to tell us that only scum get abortions. Imzadi: And all this time I thought the scum were the fathers who massively skip out on child support.

Imzadi, Kewp, ban abortion and the rich will just go to another state or country and get the abortion. Seems easy. The poor will have the babies and get on welfare.

Lurker: Folks, seriously, has making prostitution illegal stopped prostitution? Has making recreational drugs illegal stopped the use of recreational drugs? Making alcohol illegal, did that stop boozers? And folks think making abortion a crime is gonna do something (to stop it)?

Pfrog: Lurker, has chatting stopped idiocy?

HogRider: The proper implementation of abortion would, in the future, remove the need for an ignore feature in here.

Imzadi: It's cheaper to give a poor woman an abortion at public expense than to pay welfare for her brat.

Christianaregood: Making abortion illegal will cause people to be more careful about creating unwanted pregnancies. Society will benefit twice - fewer abortions and fewer unwanted children.

Toker: Imzadi, but then all this is moot once the morning after pill is finally made readily available.

Dora: Hog I don't believe that it's only women who want the abortion.

ChristianAreGood: i don't think we have the luxury of having the next admin. follow the status quo, be it Demo or Repub. What we need now is not merely to wean ourselves from foriegn oil, as Bush suggests, but from fossil fuels altogether. and we need a national push of great effort to do that. and i think we CAN do it.

Lurker: ChristiansAreGood, do you really believe this to be true?

Kewp: Tokapow, yikes! rubbing your tackle with alcohol?? that would burn , wouldnt it?

Imzadi: I am all in favor of requiring women on welfare to agree to take under the skin birth control as a condition of receiving welfare. And sterilization seems fine with me.

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Dora: Yeah nothing better than an unwanted child
Yabutt: Dora, true in some cases but women are the ones who were given the gift to have babies
Dora: Yabutt, it's only a gift if you want it.
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Christianaregood: Lurker, To legalize suicide is to encourage suicide, much like abortion.

MajorMidknight: ChristianAreGood, the fact is, abortion IS legal, and most americans profess NOT TO BELIEVE in abortion, therefore, cannot possibly be ''promoting'' abortion. Most americans find abortion abhorrent, even though most believe it should be legal.

Rigel: We're still in the abortion debate eh?

Pfrog: [ignored: -Imzadi-Rr-Sapanther-Sher-Majormidknight-Rigelian-Tut-Synth-Rockytop-Sacksman-Sacksman-Dino-Marta8point5-Richweb-Cavu-Polinc-Palerider-Ooda-Rocksteady-Delmer-Griff73-Hotrod-Tejanobob-Christians-Drnaughty-Toy911-Intrepid-Roostercogburn-Natchez-Zandak-Hornball-Danger-Prapius-Cecilia-Dwightvol-Kaslin-Kaslin-Zajak-Yabutt-Unsoma] [pic ignored:]

Dora: Pfrog, thank god!

Vanax: Pfrog, most of those you put on ignore are either Rightwingers or putrid-tards. Oh, putting so many chatters on ignore means you are wasting your time chatting in this chat room. *S*
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file: Abortion-Chat.rtf

Abortion Stats

Wednesday, 3-9-2006, (461 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively issues chat, or chat with specific individuals, in real time 27/7.

Chatteristi (varify these chatters)
The sane: Dora, HogRider, Imzadi, Kewp, Natchez, SaPanther, Vanax
The insane: Gunther, PolInc, TaoKapow, Yabutt

Note: Freewheeling chat on abortion statistics where we authoritatively throw some serious numbers around. I include it as an example of
using statistics to obfuscate others and to confuse oneself.

- begin -
Dora: Natchez, 2.5% black babies aborted by liberals?

Natchez, Dora, no, it says most of the abortions were performed by conservatives.

SaPanther: 32% of conservatives have forced abortions onto their daughters ...

Natchez: PolInc, if you look at the URL Polinc provided, it says 2.5 percent, not 25 percent.

Natchez: ''Dear Lord, help polinc to remember to include the decimal next time. Amen.''

Natchez: Kewp, Polinc left out the decimal. *S*

Vanax: Natchez, PolInc left to find the decimal point he misplaced somewhere. “Where is that dang dot?”

Kewp: Dora, where did that number come from?? Dora: Kewp, it's a mystery fer sure.

Natchez: PolInc, If you do the actual math with the numbers Polinc provided, you get 2.5 percent.

Polinc: Natchez, I'm a private school teacher...I CAN do the math...*snicker*...

HogRider: Polinc, yes, (while you can do the math), getting the correct answer is one of the (very important) objectives.

PolInc: Hogrider, Not if you're in a public school.

Natchez: Polinc went to public schools, and got a terrible education. *S*

Natchez: Polinc, It's 2.5 percent.

Kewp: *lol* Natchez

Vanax: Guera, a staunch Catholic, believes that involuntary incestuous pregnancies should not be aborted for any reason.

Dora: Natchez, so what's the 2.5%?

Vanax: PolInc, what percentage of Righwinger dads have impregnated their innocent daughters and refused to allow them to abort?

Natchez: Vanax, 65%. Do the math. *S*

Vanax: Natchez, hmmm. I take issue with 65%. I say 71%. *S*

Natchez: Vanax, OK, your statistic is better. *S*

Vanax: PolInc, on the other hand, let’s guess at some basic numbers: Say that 50% of Rightwinger dads impregnated their daughters, and if only 50% of the daughters were innocent which is 25%, and, of this 25%, 80% of them refused to have their daughters have an abortion, then the answer is 20%.

That is, 20% of Rightwinger dads who impregnated their daughthers jealously guarded their right as a parent to refuse to allow their daughters to abort the dad’s children.

SaPanther: According to my quick research: About 2% of pregnancies end in abortion each year. The idea that 25% of black pregnancies end in abortion is very, very suspect.

Vanax: PolInc, I guess at least 20% these dads who molest their innocent children are strongly pro-children. *S*
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file: Abortion-Stats.doc

Spektre

Wednesday, 3-17-2006 (578 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click on Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time with Spektre and other chatters.

Chatmeisters:
Americans: Mensch, Spektre, Vanax
Dissidents: SaPanther

Note: Of all the chatters, Spektre is one of only a handful that chats in a more thoughtful and deliberate way.

- begin -

Spektre: Vanax...did you get (my chat on) Tacitus (that I wrote long ago about) on your blog yet?

Vanax: Spektre, not yet, but I will...soon. Unsoma said that my blog sensationalizes the trivial. This is true, but only about what chatters say. And I do it because it's fun and it records human foibles, ours. But the blog also has hard politics. For example, I translated the whole of the State of the Union from lies to truth. So it's not solely trivial. Of all the chatters’ chats that I recorded, yours -- the one about Tacitus -- is the most serious so far.

Spektre: Mensch....I as well. Tacitus strikes me...as the best of the "noble savages"of the time....a true thinking, fair, honor bound warrior.

Spektre: Mensch, I much prefer Tacitus.

Spektre: Life is about being folded, spindled, and mutulated....trying to extract what pleasure you can, inbetween..and if you are able...give a little BACK. Thats the jist of it IMHO.

MENSCH: Spektre, Annals of Imperial Rome has always been my favourite.

SaPanther: Spektre, it's the fact you can't 'embrace' the truth of the cynic that means you aren't one ... of course there is some truth to the cynical view, as there is truth to the optimists view ... but I've know you long enough to know you don't ruly believe everyone is a greedy asshole; and that the world operates on machiavellian principles .. everyone is greedy, if you use a very broad definition of the word ,, but then again, people are capable of outstanding examples of selflessness ... if you think a firefighter goes into a burning building because of greed, I think someone has missed the point.

Spektre: Panther, thats nice of you*S*...but the only reason I might be called a romantic...is I can't bare to embrace what I feel often times, is the truth of the cynic...I believe the world IS mostly dark....So I just try to search for the weee little bits of light. *S*

Spektre: Mensch, I as well. Tacitus strikes me...as the best of the "noble savages"of the time....a true thinking, fair, honor bound warrior.

MENSCH: Spektre, Tacitus gaves us the most penetrating insight into Nero...that's what I thank him for.

Spektre: "The worst crime was dared by a few, willed by more, and tolerated by all"-Tacitus.

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SFChris

Saturday, 3-18-2006 (804 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time with SFChris and other thoughtful chatters.

Conversationlists
Prattlers: Tommy, Vanax
Gabblers: SFChris, Imzadi

Note: Sfchris’s informed and exclusive focus on political, economic, and social topics of national and international import makes him appear to be engaged on improving the human condition. Because he is the least cynical of any of our chatters, anyone wanting to discuss issues seriously can do no better than to engage him.

While others resort to ad hominem, trivia, or cheap debate tricks, either in whole or in part, he usually sticks to thoughtful discussions of critical issues, moving the chat topic forward.

- begin -
Sfchris: Tommy, in SF, straight guys at my gym ASK for gay guy's opinions. And (this is) not just about how best to work out, but how to get pretty for females. Hell, I’ve had straight men ask me about venues for dates, and what they should wear. Hell, I’ve seen gay men announce to the entire locker room, ''Boyz, it's Valentine's Day! Don't forget!'' There's a pretty common camaraderie between gay and straight men in SF. But that's just San Francisco, I guess.

SFChris: But I know what it COULD be like for gays and straights across the nation. I observe the future here. Or at least what I think it's likely the future will be like. No hatred, but mutual respect. Men are generally the worst in that regard. Women are better. Lesbian friendships with straight women…they tend to be more honest in the USA, I think.

Sfchris: Imzadi, basically here, some right-wingers prefer to talk abortion and gays to the very real problems we have in Iraq. Other right-wingers have been more forthcoming. I think they're worried as well. Little has been said about solutions regarding Iraq, myself included. I’d probably stick by my anti-globalization attitude, and want to promote alternative energy development on the scale of monies currently poured into war. But that's just me.

Sfchris: Imzadi, yes, karma. But we're both Californians. We can dig the highs and lows of karma. And America sent out some really shitty vibes. Now we're forced to accept them back. Let's start with ‘‘we know best what's right for the rest of the world.'' a measure we ourselves can't evidently accommodate. Then we can move to ''We'll FORCE YOU AT GUNPOINT to be like us.'' Hardly an attractive proposition, especially when it's based on lies and sheer corporate greed. Oh well.

Sfchris: We were good (presumably at implementation) when we were good (presumably at heart). We did beat Hitler, and for the first time (in the history on any conquering nation), provided the Marshall Plan to not only invigorate our former enemies economically, but also give them their own independence and self-determination. And they did prosper. Actually they prospered enough to become competitors! *L* That was probably our finest achievement in the last century. But those nations actually ATTACKED us, unlike Iraq (which did not provoke the US).

SFChris: Tommy, as in Greek tragedies, we gained enough hubris to create our downfall. It's sad but true. And we followed buffoons and idiots who were belligerent to their own ends, all the while pampering our bloated vanity.

Vanax: Sfchris: Small but important point here, but your use of “our” and “we” is attempting to implicate bad gov. or the atrocious decisions by subversive Bush. “We,” which includes you and I, of course, but you probably did not mean to implicate us in the replacement of the US Constitution with the US Patriot Act, we did not lie about WMDs, nor did we attack Iraq. It was you-know-who -- the fucktard in the WH’s unlit closets. I say this because I want to minimize the phenomenon that the idea often becomes the reality.

Tommy: SFChris, ultimately, I think it depends of a person's insecurities. If they do not fell secure about who they are, either sexually or from a self-esteem point of view, then that can turn a tolerant and open person into a fearful and guarded, of not intolerant, person.

Sfchris: Imzadi, see ya later Imzadi. I have little doubt we'll be checking out real estate in Costa Rica before too very long and dealing in pesos that will be more valuable than dollars. But hell, worse things could happen. Just look around the USA. Inbred pinheads will be running home schools, and teaching de-evolution to dirty-faced kids clutching the their old Testaments, while the minister/principle dances around with rattlesnakes under a solar eclipse. See ya in Costa Rica. I’ll shave some ice for your margarita. Adios!

Imzadi: Sfchris, Costa Rica would be nice Chris. Good night

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Lindsmil

Sunday, 3-19-2006 (517 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time with Lindsmil and other Rightwingers.

Chatteristici
The strong: Doss, Imzadi, Kewp, MangosShadow, Unrepentent, Vanax
The weak: Lindsmil, Mysticmatrix, Danger

Note: Vanax challenged Lindsmil to apologize for misrepresenting what he said because she used the misrepresentation as the basis to justify calling him two derogatgory names for which he also asked another apology.

- begin -

Vanax: It looks that Julia really likes Doss. She can't stop harassing him. Stop it Julia.

Dosset: Vanax, I've asked Julia to stop harassing me. She won't stop. She's fixated with silencing me. She keeps badgering me. I think she's pissed at me cause Natchez wouldn't slip her some sympathy dick.

Lindsmil: looks like vanax is gonna have his lips on dosset's ass all night as usual....

Vanax: Lindsmil,, translation: ''I, Lindsmil, being of sound mind and bod, hope that Vanax starts chatting with me soon."

• (Notice that Lindsmil begins to speak to me directly indicated by the use of “you” when addressing me.

Lindsmil: Vanax, you are just a dosset cheerleader. why the fuck would I want you to chat with me? Be gone! Vanax: Lindsmil, why should I be gone? Notice that you engaged me in a conversation. It meant you wanted to talk with me. I guess you don't know when you start conversations, but then blame the other person for doing so.

Lindsmil: Vanax, I was talking ABOUT you, not TO you dumbarse.

Vanax: Lindsmil, you just said that you were talking about me?

Vanax: Lindsmilmil, notice that you started to talk to me. Not me. Use the ignore feature. I guess you don't know that you start conversations and then blame the other person for doing so.

Lindmil: Vanax, I was talking ABOUT you, not TO you dumbarse.

Vanax: I can see Julia harassing Doss and she likes it. *S*

Unrepent: What’s going on in this room. People are shouting down chatters?

Doss: Unrepentent, what's going on in the room is a reflection of US politics. The rightwingers control the room -- and they shout down, pull the plug on, or otherwise silence those who oppose their jingoist view.

Lindsmilmil: Doss, that's right now sit down and shut your hole.

Imzadi: Kewp, there are non-politicals here Bedazzled. I lump them all together as tarts.

Doss: Vanax, and when people like me and Natchez call them on their lying, they try to have us banned. *S*

Vanax: Lindsmilmil, See, here is the proof that you were talking to me rather than AT me as you wrongly assert.

Lindsmilmil: vanax...you are just a dosset cheerleader. why the fuck would I want you to chat with me? Be gone!
Then you said that you were not talking to me. But you were. I guess you can't read your own writing.

Lindsmil: Have you guys read vanax's blog?

MangosShadow: Lindsmil, I have. Vanax has done some nice writing. You think that his translation of Bush’s 2006 State of the Union is adequate?

Vanax: Lindsmil, notice the word “you” when you addressed me. This means you were talking TO me, not AT me. Oh my. What bad reading on your part, but you are a Rightwinger so it’s to be expected.
Lindsmil, were you talking with me or at me? Read this as a visual aid:

Lindsmilmil: vanax...you are just a dosset cheerleader. why the fuck would I want you to chat with me? Be gone!”

I am here to help you understand what you posted. You should appreciate my remediation. *S*

Lindmil: ok vanax..you win. Im talking to you now...but only to tell you to get over it.

Vanax: Lindmil, no. You were talking TO me before. And you need to tell me what I won by being right. I betcha you don’t even know.

Vanax: Lindsmil uses ''you'' twice in that post and says she is talking AT me. Why is she lying? Maybe she just can't read what she wrote. Or maybe she forgot within the span of five minutes. *G*

Vanax: What did I win Lindsmil?

Lindmil: Vanax, nothing. now leave me alone

Vanax: Lindmil, you said I win and now you say I win nothing. Just what do you mean? And quit harassing me by lying. You lied, or forget, or could not read what you said.

Lindmil: Vanax is obsessed with getting attention from me. someone quick...insult him! Get him off my nuts

Vanax: Lindsmil, you are using a straw man argument. Do you know what that is? You are also using diversion instead of backing your statement. Did you forget, not read what you said, or lie? One of those. Come on. Which is it?

Vanax: I am waiting for Lindsmil to say why she said she was talking about me when she clearly and unambiguously spoke to me as the use of ''you'' clearly indicates.

Lindmil: Vanax, case in point. this is nothing short of a desperate cry for my attention.

Gungadin: Don’t think so Lindsmil. Vanax has demonstrated his case and you are deceitful as in lying about it and you know it.

Lindsmil:...look..Im talking DIRECTLY to you right now. Are you listening? ok good...now fuck off. Buh bye.

Vanax: Lindsmil, you called me a dumbarse. You were beginning to harass me. That's not all, it looks like you made yourself look like a dumbarse because you don't answer if you forgot, lied, or just can't read what you said.

Vanax: Lindsmilmil: Did you forget, not read what you said, or lie? And you said I won. What did I win? Be specific.

Vanax: What did Lindsmil mean that I won?

Doss: Vanax, Rightwingers don't even care sometimes when they're caught lying.

Vanax, Doss, I will give her the benefit of the doubt so I ask her if she forgot or did not read her own post. *S*

Vanax: Hotrod: What did I win from Lindsmil?

Lindsmil: yo fryhead. Vanax is obsessing over me tonight. what snew with you?

Vanax: Lindsmil, you said that I won. What did I win? Bush said that Cindy Sheehan's son died for a noble cause. I guess both Bush and Lindsmil are not willing to back up their respective statements.

Vanax: Lindsmil, ok, easier question: What is the noble cause for which Kasey Sheehand died for Bush's war?

Vanax: Lindsmil called me a dumbarse for knowing that she was wrong and she hated that. Lindsmil, what did I win?

Vanax: Question for chatters: When someone addresses you and uses ''you'' in the address, is the person talking TO you or ABOUT you? *S*Kewp: Vanax, I would think TO you.

Vanax: Sfchris, Hi SF. Lindsmil is afraid to say whether she forgot what she wrote, did not read what she wrote, or just plain lied about she said. *S*

Doss: Vanax, never know for sure. My experience has been that most writers in chat rooms are so poorly equipped, that it's difficult to figure out what they mean to say in most cases.

Lindsmil: Vanax, ok here is the story. in my first post I was talking ABOUT you...then you posted and said I was talking to you..so I DID post to you to reply that my first post was ABOUT you not To you. The you posted that second post that I posted and said I WAS posting to you because of the post...but you KNEW I was refering to the first post and not the second....therefore....YOU are the dumbass. Now get over me you obsessive freak!

Vanax: Lindsmil, No. You are lying. You said you were talking AT me AFTER you had already talked TO me. See? So you are lying and I caught you at it. Give it up. You have been outed. Now let’s watch you dance. How many derogatory names are you going to call me for proving that you lied about me? S

Vanax: Doss, Well, Lindsmil made a big deal of making me look badly. even calling me a dumbarse, for, her implication was, that I did not grasp that she was only talking at me, i.e., addressing me indirectly, and not talking to me. When I pointed out that using ''you'' is an indication that it's a direct address, she got mad and said I won. Now I want to know what it is that I won. But I suspect that she wants to move on without standing up for what she said and my catching her.

Vanax: Lindsmil, you are trying to weasel out of your admission to the statement that I won. What did I win?

Lindsmil: Anyone know if it’s going to rain?
Vanax: LindsmiL, yeah, talk about something else, the rain. I am staying on the topic but you continue to divert it toward ad hominem. Ad hominem is a logical fallacy. Did you know that? Do you often use logical fallacies in your convresations?

Vanax: Lindsmil, yo already admitted that I won, meaning that you lost. When a person admits to losing, then the person should know what the loss was, otherwise the admission is either no admission at all – justy words -- or it's just a way to cut one's losses and go on to the next topic, hopefully not as challenging like you just did. Lindsmil owes me that answer, especially because she called me a derogatory name, all based on her mistake.

Lindsmilmil: Vanax....you ramble on and on about the whole situation for hours and when I break down the events and show what a dumbarse you are you ignore it and continue to pretend you have achieved some victory?

Vanax: Lindsmil, It’s been 20 min. which seems like hours to you because I am not letting you get away with misrepresenting what I said and then calling me deogatory names on top of it.

Vanax: Linsmil, oh, now you say that I did not win? Which is it, did I win or not? You sound mixed up.Lindsmil: Vanax Ok....You are sad. Seriously...go away.
Vanax: Lindsmil, of course you want me to go away because I point out your retarded observation. Sure.

Vanax: Lindsmil, I am speaking clearly, not rambling on. What makes you think that to speak clearly is to ramble?

Vanax: Lindsmill, I might retreat a bit if you admit to losing the argument with me. You already admitted I won. Just say, ''Vanax, you won the argument.” So that we can all know that it was the argument that I won. Can you say that? Very simple.

Lindsmilmil: Vanax..I believe I was saying ''Ok you win...Im now posting TO you''. You won my attention that you were so persistantly trying to get.....but alas, it only lasted a few seconds. Now you keep coming back and trying AGAIN. This will be the last time I respond to your idiotic pleas. THanks and farewell.

Vanax: Lindsmil, no, you are lying. You were talking to me way earlier in the original statement in which you used the “you” to address me. See?
Vanax: Lindsmil: Good. Did I win the argument because I showed you proof that you were talking to me, not ABOUT me? You need to do two things: Admit to saying that you originally used “you” and that you wrongly called me a dumbarse.

VANAX: Then you called me a dumbarse for seeing correctly that you were talking TO me. I want an apology for calling me a dumbarse wrongly, when you should have complimented me by calling me perceptive. Go ahead. Applogise.

Vanax: Lindsmil called me a dumbarse for seeing correctly that she was wrong. I want an apology for her calling me a dumbarse.

Vanax: Lindsmil, I want an apology for calling me a dumbarse when you were the one that made the goof. I want you to say, ''Vanax, I apologize for being wrong, for lying about it, and for calling you a bad name.''

Lindsmilmil: someone tell vanax I said Im sorry he is a dumbarse Vanax: Lindsmil, how can I be a dumbarse when I was correct all along and you were wrong? Where’s the apology?

Lindsmilmi: Hmmmm.....tell vanax to go back to the VERY first post I had ABOUT him....i think it was something like ''Oh great. Vanax is here to put his lips all over Dosset's ass'' or something similar. It was clearly about him and not TO him. But he wants to play stupid and spin spin spin the facts like his two idols do. What a joke. Tell him I apologize for showing what a dumbarse he is.

Vanax: Lindsmil, your next remark to me was talking “TO” me. You are avoiding this. It was only after the next remark that you said you did NOT talk to me. You don’t see the nose in front of your face.

Vanax: It looks like Lindsmil is weaseling out of a righteous apology. I guess she thinks she can get away with a mealy mouthed statement instead.

Lindsmil: Vanax seems a bit obsessive...maybe chemically imbalanced. Cant quite put my finger on it...OH WAIT! yes I can...he is a fucking moron, that's it!

Vanax: Lindsmil, you made the error and then called me a dumbarse for pointing it out. I guess you like to live in errorland.

Vanax: Lindsmil, ad hominem, a logical fallacy of course.

Mysticmatrix: Vanax is sulking.

Vanax: Mysticmatrix, another remark that is logically fallacious. Start addressing the issue, not me.

Lindsmil: He is tryin to take the Dosset approach to this situation and demand proof that he is a dumbass.....but I think he IS the proof. everyime he posts it becomes more apparent.

Vanax: Lindsmil called me a dumbarse, a fuckin moron, and Misty said I am sulking. I am only trying to do Lindsmil a favor to commit to an apology for saying that I am a dumbarse when I was right all along and she admitted it already. Now I just need an apology. Easy, no?

Vanax: Lindsmil, an apology for calling me, wrongly, a dumbarse and a moron.

Vanax: I want to see if Lindsmil has the guts to be truthful and apologize to a man that she called a dumbarse and a moron which was an error because she made the mistake, not me.

Danger: Vanax, what if she's proud of it?

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HogRider

Wednesday, 3-15-2006 (9875 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click on Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time with the entertaining HogRider as well as other shifty individuals.

Chattaholics:
Patriots: Dy, Hogrider, Kewp, Imzadi, Tommy, Saltcloud, Vanax
Subversives: ROBJACK, Dukeofwellington, MajorMidknight, WHIPPLE

Note: Hogrider Chats To No One In Particular. His Catchphrase Is "I Post Primarily To Enable Myself To See What I Think."

- begin 2006 -
Tommy: Kewp, Tommy: I love salmon HogRider: Tommy, How perverted is that...................?

HogRider: Why are so many Republicans named dick...................?

Kewp: HogRider, haahahaha.

HogRider: Lurker, ever waited for an eyeball to heal from a razor slice.....................?

HogRider, I don't give shit about who gets an abortion............. I'm already born

Imzadi: Good one Hog!

Dy: Turaloora, when some women breath they become prego. HogRider: Turaloora, that's what makes necrophilia so attractive...................

MajorMidknight: *ROFL* Hogrider.
- end 2006 -

- begin 2000 -
Hog Rider: How come you can remember that you forgot something, but you can't remember what you forgot? I want to get to the point where I don't remember squat!

Vanax: Well then how will you know why to come here?

Hog Rider: Vanax: Even a blind pig finds an acorn once in awhile..... Maybe I'll just never leave. But, if you forget everything anyhow, all a person would need is a single post, he could just keep reading it over, and over, and over again and again.......

Vanax: Funny! You are describing Alsheimer’s desease. Hog, if you listen to Dosset and TJB and to Zulz then you might as well be mindless given all of their repetitive posts with only minor variations. *S*

• note: Bush and Gore are still contesting Flarida ballots on November 24, 2000. HogRider returned to add these remarks.

HogRider: CNN just reported that four Republicans were badly burned when the cross they were trying to light exploded

HogRider: Watching Republicans protest is like watching Al Gore dance...

HogRider: It's not hard to become a Republican, providing you survive the lobotomy

HogRider: Vanax: The Republicans now claim that Janet Reno captured the cross and managed to lick it prior to its being delivered to the Lab, thereby effectively destroying the presidential DNA - However, now that the accusation has been made Republicans are convinced that no evidence will be necessary to support their believe. This is based on past success of course.

Vanax: Hog, can you please edit that for clarity because I am very certain that there is a kernel of understandability somewhere in there that needs clearification.

Hog Rider: Vanax: Clarity is in the eye of the befuddled - There was no clear kernel, I think it was a Klink

Vanax: Hog. Someone might have understood it but not I, not tonight, and perhaps never.

HogRider: Stephen King could not, in his worst nightmare, create the Republican Party......

HogRider: Vanax, Your request for me to explain something I said would require that I understand it, I never do, sorry. But, I'm perfectly willing to post other things I don't understand if that will help, this, being a perfect example.......

HogRider: I hope Bush has to give a 30 minute speech, and they only write 20 minutes for him - Then, the fun really begins.......... Duh-h-h-h...... “W” is for weasel!

HogRider: Bush has personality? Well, so does a head of lettuce, I guess......

HogRider: Boy, I just hate how partisan those rotten Republicans are......

Vanax: Hog, why do you hate Rep. partisanship?

HogRider: Vanax: Can’t answer that; It's one of the mysteries of the church......

HogRider: Vanax: Why is what? (I have the attention span of a gnat)

Vanax: Hog, do you ever submit your insights to people like Jay Leno and such.

Hog Rider: Vanax: Ha! They wish......

Vanax: Hog, well then Bush could use some help to make him look more compassionate and over-all softer.

HogRider: Vanax: If Bush wants to appear softer, my suggestion would be that he put on thirty pounds!

HogRider: Anyone that ever had a jack-in-the-box as a child, now knows where they've seen G.W. before.

HogRider: Basically, a Republican is a Nazi with his brains kicked out - Ooopppss, forgot, were supposed to tone down the rhetoric - Basically, a Republican is a Neo-Nazi with his brains kicked out

HogRider: If a Republican solved a problem, I'm betting the Rubik's Cube is busted!

Hog Rider: Vanax,I'll grant you (regarding the corrupt Flarida elections) that humans are human, if you'll grant me that machines are machines - Ever count your change from a candy machine? Why?

Hog Rider: Republicans couldn't mount a revolution, they're to cheap to kick in for guns

• I then left but Hog probably stayed to continue to make clever observations.
  
  Two days later, on Sun. Nov. 26, 2000, I posted the above chats in BigBob’s Philosophy chat room. Below are responses by those Philosophy chatters.

Dukeofwellington: Vanax, why the hell are you bringing this shit in here?

Dukeofwellington: Buncha losers

SaltCloud: Hipple, it is now.

Robjak: Hog....You are a disappointed liberal attempting to gain some kind of credibility in the face of a loss that by the further denial, by his socialist aspirant, media re-invented darling, Gore. Hog has saw fit to fill the room with his uninspiring post it notes attempting to dimminish republicans. Alas anyone with any kind of intellectual discernment would understand that Gore's decision to become a litigant rather than abide by the rule of law that is the framework of our great country, will by his own hand throw us into a constitutional crisis. Better wake up and smell the roses the Hogrider you beating a dead horse in an attempt to win a race that is over.

Dukeofwellington: Oh yes things have changed. the number of losers attending here has decreased greatly

SaltCloud: Hog has me absolutely befuddled!! *s*

– end 2000 –

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Doss Hornyness

Wednesday, 3-15-2006 (454 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click on Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time 24/7 with Doss and other horny gourmonds pretending to be chatters.

Chatophiles:
Horndogs: Doss, Gemini
Sexually dessicated: Hepcat

Note: Doss’s chats are uniquely focused and precise. Here he virtually admits that life sexually stimulates him, describes that eating ordinary foods sexually arouse him, and suggests to another chatter what arousal foods to use. At the end, stupid sounding Rightwinger, Hepcat, breaks the spell.

- begin -
Doss: Gemini, but then, if you're like me, eating baloney also will make you horny. *S*

Doss: Gemini, I use lettuce now and then, but I'm partial to other forms of greens such as spinach, e.g. I've found, though, that if we can work the ''half a head of lettuce'' joke into meal time conversation, that increases the likelihood of dinner resulting in sex. I strongly suggest you try that.

Gemini: Doss, you should put some kind of warning on your recipes, maybe? ''Side effects include dry mouth, blurred vision, drowsiness, restlessness, insomnia, headache, and an unquenchable desire to have sex.''

Doss: Gemeni, Mrs foster claims that waking up in the morning makes me horny, so I'm not sure about the efficacy of my advice regarding the sexual benefits of adding certain foods to the diet. It might be safe to say that breathing is an aphrodisiac.

Doss: Gemini, if you don't want to get horny, do NOT use my recipes.

Hepcat: Doss, hey faggot breath... u still in here whinning?

Doss: Hepcat knows what ''faggot breath'' smells like?

Doss: If hepcat were closer, I'd have my niece kick his ass. *S*

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Dana 2 of 6

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (1448 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time with her and other chatters.

Chatteristici
The Saints: B, Dana, Rakitach, Rocksteady, Saintincognito, Sarvistree, Maggie, SaltCloud, Vanax, Kewp, Fenryr, Lurkin, Hornball, Njso,
The Devils: FP, Jajski, Lilly, Marta, Oarlic, Complete

Note: Dana leads a chat surrounding the banning of Vanax and violation of Gemini’s privacy. Dana’s style of chat is a breath of fresh air to the often limpid style practiced by too many at the Boston Tea Party chat room. Her breezy, aggressive approach elevates us all. A warrior with Amazonian forcefulness, she slays all Rightwingers with flair and bravado that shocks the meek and makes Rightwingers whine.

I am sure that her genes can be traced back in time to when her female warrior ancestors, the tall blonde Amazons, as recorded by Herodotus, the surprisingly reliable Greek historian -- and proven by Dr. Jean Davis Kimball, PhD -- overwhelmed her Greek captors, landed on the eastern shores of the Black Sea where they intermarried with Scythian men, members of an equally aggressive wandering tribe, to produce another aggressive tribe of nomads, the Sarmatians, who ranged from the current steppes of S. Russia in the west, to present day Western Magnolia in the east.

Her wide-ranging combat strategy is to use Rightwinger style of subversive chat against them in a deliciously patriotic way.

- Begin -
Marta: Rakitach, she doesn't chat from work

Maggie: Apparently someone posted Geminies contact information karen.

Saltcloud: Who?

Rocksteady: Kewp, Please ask Dana for me where her proof is. She must have me on iggy.

Dana: Kewp, From what i hear this isnt the first evil stunt that bitch
has pulled

Kewp: Dana, you are way WAY too kind to some.

Marta: the call has also been reported to the appropriate authorities who deal with this kind of personal invasion.

Rakitach: What does this mean? Give us details.

Dana: Marta how do you know that much about when a certain chatter
chats? Jesus h Christ.

Fp: Rakitach, we report that kind of stuff here. The call has also been reported to the appropriate authorities who deal with this kind of personal invasion.

Fenryr: Well, I have a sort of secondhand backdoor contact to reach Gemini...I guess I should see what all the bullshit is about...

Marta: Rakitach, Gemini is on the west coast, at least that's what I hear ...and I think I might have even heard it from her.

Kewp: Lilly, oh thats right, he did do something to Bunny too

Fp: Yes..she is on the west coast..

Dana: Fenryr, yeah you should, and tell Gemini ill miss her, i didnt see the part of her never coming back, Doss told me a few minutes ago.

Fenryr: That is, as long as it doesn't get ME accused of 'hacking' or 'Stalking'...*G*

Marta: Rakitach, I don't know, except what she said, her supervisors did reported the call I think as a form of stalking...I think that's what she said, you guys ask her.

Dana: See how marta rationalizes someone calling Gemini’s workplace?

Saltcloud: Yes... chatting in chat rooms in your own time is allowable..so what does it matter if someone posted Gemini's personal information and someone else (allegedly) contacted Gemini's employer..........embarrassing Gemini? that was the idea? Hurting her?

Kewp: Saltcloud: Gemini makes those that bad mouth her a joke though..her sense of humour is fab

Lurkin: How did someone get the info in the first place?

Marta: Rakitach, I don't know Lurkin

Kewp: Dana: rock wants to know where your proof is ..do you have him on iggy?

Dana: Saltcloud, getting her to leave the chatroom was the idea i think

Hornball: I have called a few chatters just to get an idea what their voices sound like. but i havent stalked. right

B: Yes....I scrolled back...this is horridly awful. Is Geminie ok?

Lurkin: Not that anyone wants to contact my employer LOL but so it doesn't happen to another person

Dana: Kewp, tell him patty is my proof, and Gemini. Thats all the proof i need.

Rocksteady: Dana, Patty is your proof? **lolololol** I thought so. Nuff said.

Fp: Rakitach, the call has also been reported to the appropriate authorities who deal with this kind of personal invasion.

Rakitach: FP, What does this mean? Give us details.

Fp: We report that kind of stuff here.

Rakitach: FP, since when were you “we?” And what ''stuff?''

Marta: Rakitach is that true faux, when did that happen? she was fine this morning.

Kewp: Gemini is in Cali? hell we are neighbours

Doss: Dana: They can't stand to hear the truth. They try to silence those who speak it.

Complete: so GEMINIINI is not going to come back? even if not from work.. she won’t post from home? sounds rather ludicrous to me.

Dana: Doss: proof positive, yep

Saltcloud: I'm not shocked that Dana would make this whole thing up. It's right up her Drama Queen alley.”

Saltcloud: Lilly. But Dana is not doing that, is she.....

Fp: No..this morning is when she may have been speaking to Mr N.. he was here all morning... I saw Gemini was upset last night about this or somehting similar... She isn't planning to return.

Dana: Saltcloud: nope im not, ill miss her, a lot

Kewp: How did someone get the info in the first place?

NJSO: Kewp, Who called Gemini's employer??? That's pretty pathetic.

NJSO: Kewp, that is what I would like to know.

Saltcloud: ''Lilly, I'm not shocked that Dana would make this whole thing up. It's right up her Drama Queen alley. ''

Marta: that's what she said this morning karen apparently somebody called her employer. ''

Fp: Rakitach: chatter always repot that stuff..and athorities are notified... you know that.

Dana: Kewp, Gemini posted a picture of herself on a tv show. From the url of the picture they were able to go to site and it had her name listed.

Sarvistree: Dana, Why is Gemini not coming back? What have I missed?

Dana: Njso: one of mustypees minions if not mustypee. Mustypee posted Gemini’s info on the main yesturday and afterwards they contacted Gemini’s employer (boss)

Kewp: Rock...Dana said Patty is her proof

Rakitach: Post the URL again...Every time I bookmark it, you CHANGE the damn thing! *l*

Fenryr: Ok, I just dropped an email which SHOULD get to Gemini in a day or two...

Dana: Sarvistree: shes not returning because

1. mustypee posted Gemini’s full name
2. after that, someone from this chat then called Gemini’s employer, which they were able to find out by doing a bit of research on the net after mustypee posted her full name

Kewp: Complete, poor Gemini gawd I hope whoever did this is real proud of themselves. fekkin RATFINK

Dana: Lurkin, no, im guessing when she was on fox news

Private message from Kewp to Rakitach
Rakitach: Don’t say who you are.shhhhhhhhhhhhhh do you want ppl to know its you?? sheesh

Dana: I dont have Rocksteady on ignore, i just ignore him naturally

Rocksteady: Complete: To tell you the truth, I don't blame her. There are too many whackjobs on the net. You never know what the next escalation could be.

Marta: Well this morning she was fine and she in the room...

Hornball: Fox news? holy christ did they put her on with friggin hannity?

Rakitach: Well, everyone knows that the poor Vanax was banned, all due to AwesomeGod's whining that he posted a gruesome but truthful pict of an anonymous dead Iraq who died in Bush's war. But then It's OK for AwesomeGod to lie about the war. He should be banned. That turd. I really want Vanax back. He added a lot of positive energy to the room, and he was also well-spoken, like was educated or something. I hope Vanax returns soon. *S*

Marta: What about fox news?

Dana: Marta, Gemini was upset, but of course she wasnt going to show you that

Ogarlic: Dana, that is very rotten badness, if true.

Fp: Rakitach, oh, poor vanax *s*

Rocksteady: Dana, Of course you do. Like when I start asking for things like proof.

Kewp: Dana, oh ok, so the information came from her picture

KEWP: Dana, did MISTYSEA actually post Gemini's real name somewhere??? it would seem that was the initial assault.

Fp: I miss the vanny (Vanax) dude..

Fp: Complete..Gemini said it's not misty.

Dana: Ogarlic, I’m heartbroken that Gemini won’t return, but then i think a lot of people are going to consider not returning as well

Ogarlic: Dana, yep i know. It’s a bit scary

B: Rakitach, Gemini is nice to everyone.

Fp: Rakitach, chatters always repot that stuff, and athorities are notified. You know that.

Rakitach: FP, which chatter and what stuff? Snitches and nazis?

Lurkin: If misty did that, i think she should be on “permaban.”

Dana: Complete: yes she posted it on the main here

Complete: Guess Gemini isnt a fighter.. if that happen to me, I would keep coming back to meet my attacker face to face..

Kewp: Me too, I would want ANSWERS!

Marta: Rakitach, you know you people making accusations should be more careful the buddha says the sould is a mirror of our own reflection.

Njso: Rakitach, just how did someone get Gemini's personal information in the first place????

Ogarlic: Dana Gemini was a good soul..she should find out who did it and sue them

Marta: Rakitach, what vanax is gone too?

Rakitach: Marta, yeah. Someone got Vanax banned. It was that Rightwinger, AwesomeGod, a real good Christian soldier.

Rocksteady: Rakitach, Actually, the precedent had already been set. Nino was banned for posting gory pics. Someone in here looked up the rule this morning and posted it.

Sarvistree: Fox news is to journalism as Professional wrestling is to athletics.

Lurkin: Njso, They got her private info. from a picture url she posted.

Dana: Kewp, they (despicable Rightwingers) posted pictures of her daughter

Njso: Gemini posted a picture that mustypee traced to a website,
and from there is where she got her name

Private message from Fp to Rakitach
Rakitach, I won't go into details. but the FBI has been notified for similar stuff..(in the recent past).

salt cloud: He did it to Pinko...and her employer is all the way in australia... ''

I have been threatened by a 'new' American : He said he would send an army guy pal who lives in my city of Hobart (hald a world away) around to my house in Hobart....to 'civilise me'....

Kewp: FP, yeah, ya gotta feel for Vanax. All he did is post a truthfully gruesome pict. *S*

Fp: Kewp, Vanax is always closer than we think *g*

Kewp: Rakitach: I WANT VANAX BACK TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Marta: You know you people making accusations should be more careful the buddha says the sould is a mirror of our own reflection

Awesomegod: I don't feel for Vanax at all. The fucker knew better.

Dana. Saltcloud, its scary the lengths to which people will go in a chatroom

Fp: Dana, Gemini chat transcripts can tell you who violated Gemini’s ersonal info and then she should sue them

Jajski: Rakitach ... Vanax baited people into banning him .... be honest at least.

Dana: Awesomegod: have you posted a fetus before? i think you did

Kewp: Saltcloud, for a chat though, to do what they did to Gemini or whomever else that is contacted in RL without permission IS SICK

Rocksteady: Complete: To each their own in dealing with such stuff. **shrug**

Marta: Rakitach, yeah it's quite unfortunate the liberal media can't get away with making up news anymore...

Marta: Rakitach, you mean a Christian got Vanax banned for telling the truth?

Rakitach: Marta, yeah, the Christian AwesomeGod got Vanax banned. What a petty and vindictive move.

Dana: Jajski, Vanax did not bait AwesomeGod; Vanax proved with that pic that republitards are hypocrits, they couldnt stand to see what their
policies have done to iraqi's.

Marta: Rakitach, that's true. I'm sorry I should allow the liberal media to be creative with the news.

Complete: bottom line.. .. if indeed an initial assault of posting ones real personal information, ie, real name , DID infact happen, I would assume the culprit that posted the information be the guilty party as well as the instigator in full measure of the entire situation. Stands to reason..... as well as logical.

Kewp: Dana, who posted pics of her daughter?

Dana: That is horrible....I like Gemini, she is a sweetheart. I wonder why someone would want to do that to her...

Marta, Rakitach, I don't know, except what she said, her supervisors did reported the call I think as a form of stalking...I think that's what she said, you guys ask her. ''

Saltcloud, Marta, that is encouraging.... good..

Rakitach: AwsomeGod...I dunno, Vanax was OK. So what that she allegedly violated some absolete rule. I think she added lots of good stuff to chat. Someone said that she never was nasty to anyone. You think that AwesomeGod was mad that Vanax did not call him names instead? S

Marta: RakitachI don't know what it means that is all Gemini said this morning, I imagine it means they traced or are
tracing it.

Dana: Complete: that is precisely why Gemini thinks mustypee is involved
and i agree. mustypee posted her name first then Gemini’s boss was
contacted, it wasnt a coincidence.

Sarvistree: Dana, sounds like the kind of thing Sonlitknight was doing a while back!

Saltcloud: Kewp, Gemini makes those that bad mouth her a joke though..her sense of humour is fab ''

Kewp: SaltCloud, She is so very, very different to many in here.... those who smirk and snigger and laugh at the tortures the detainees (no
charges laid). Those who are just like Bush and so, of course, applaud him.

Rakitach: Yeah Marta, the Christian AwesomeGod got Vanax banned. What a petty and vindictive move.

Marta: But Vanax knows the rules and he's a big boy. He makes his own decisions and he'll have to learn to own up to them.

RockSteady: You're kidding me what did they get banned for?

Dana: Saltcloud, Gemini is very progressive

Marta: Rakitach, I hope this place isn't going to turn into wbs where everybody gets banned for everything

Kewp: Marta, but Vanax asked and said he would take it down if it offended anyone, but awesome had to run to MrN and tattle *RME*

Dana: I wuv Vanax. *S* He was my first chat crush in here

B: Fp, When Gurjar was here earlier, he was talking to Mr.Nobody about the fact that Gemini told him that she got death threats from being on tv and advising Mr.Nobody that it should be posted that no one's privacy can be protected here. Now I know what all that meant. This is really bad.

Rakitach: Marta, you know, I thought this over, and speaking as a Republican because I am pro-gun, both Gemini and Vanax never offended me so I will miss them.

Rakitach: AwsomeGod...I dunno, Vanax was OK. She always treated me fine. So what that she allegedly violated some absolete rule. I think she added lots of good stuff to chat. Someone said that she never was nasty to anyone...

Fp: Dana: who posted pics of Gemini’s daughter?

Rakitach: I don't know what it means that is all Gemini said this morning, I imagine it means they traced or are tracing it

Rakitach: Yeah Marta, the Christian AwesomeGod got Vanax banned. What a petty and vindictive move.

Tut: Rakitach, Vanax knows the rules and he's a big boy. He makes his own decisions and he'll have to learn to own up
to them.

Dana: Complete, that is precisely why Gemini thinks mustypee is involved
and i agree. mustypee posted her name first then Gemini’s boss was
contacted, it wasnt a coincidence.

Sarvistree: Sounds like the kind of thing Sonlitknight was doing a while back!

Dana: Rocksteady, yes, and Vanax is really quite hot *S*

Dana: Saltcloud, Gemini is very progressive

Marta: Rakitach, Ihope this place isn't going to turn into wbs where everybody gets banned for everything.

Kewp: SaltCloud, Vanax asked and said he would take it down if it offended anyone, but awesome had to run to MrN and tattle *RME*

B: FP, when Gurjar was here earlier, he was talking to Mr.Nobody about the fact that Gemini told him that she got death threats from being on tv and advising Mr.Nobody that it should be posted that no one's privacy can be protected here. Now I know what all that meant. This is really bad.

- end -

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Plano & Taxes

Friday, 2-17-2006 (440 words)

We chat at http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time with villain Planoman and patriots.

Chatteristi
Patriots: Dana, Dora, Enzer, Minute, Pdaphile, Vanax
Villains: Planoman

Note: Planoman is a long time chatter and a regular to the Boson Tea Party chat room, which makes him a significant contributor. He is defending the logic of the idea that the less the gov. taxes, the more it has to spend.

- begin -
Planoman: Vanax...the gov. can get more money if it cuts taxes.

Vanax: Plano, how the fuck do tax cuts make a deficit fall? Sounds like the old VooDoo economics dance.

Enzer: Vanax, I was just wondering the same meself.

Vanax: Plano, the less taxes the gov. collects the more money it gets? Is this it?

Planoman: Vanax, yes....it's very simple.........

Minute: Plano, your math…almost Einstien-like.

Plano: Vanax, consumer driven economy.

Vanax: Enzer, See, Plano’s basic premise is that the less taxes the gov. gets, the more money it receives, which means, based on his logic, if extended, that if the gov. collected zero taxes, the gov.’s coffers would get filled up to the top. This is how voodoo economists like he think. Stupid Planomanolithic logic, I know, but, hey….

Planoman: Minute, and you wonder why the only dates you get are with Rosey.

Minute: Planoman, yer wit..almost rapier like...

Dana: Planoman, *LOL* Why are you aiming that at Vanax; You should be asking yourself that, Republitard.

Vanax: Dana, No wonder that Rightwing economics are looked down upon.

Vanax: Thinking…''The less money the gov. receives, the more money it will have to pay for its staff and its departments?” Plano the economist will figure this out. *LOL*

Planoman: Vanax, LMAO....our economy is consumer driven.....something like 60 some odd percent...............people don't spend sales fall...tax revenues fall.

Vanax: Plano, no it’s not. It’s hard to know which, but Bush’s economy seems to be either debt driven or sell-off driven. By that, I mean the selling off of our infrastructure (i.e., bridges, highways, etc.) to other nations is creating income which, unfortunately, Bush is quickly misspending in his sinkhole called war on terrorism. In other words, the value of our natural worth is being mortgaged off so that we lose control of it. If Bush withholds, for example – and as the Congress has now done by denying the rental of the ports to Dubai -- those nations that have invested in the US, with the hope of investing even more, may withdraw their investments upon which Bush’s current but meager economic recovery depends, and Bush is in danger of exposing just how much he has sold off so far to foreigners, and thereby weakened the US. By this info, you can see how subversive the pres is. Therefore, there is no need for El Qaeda to attack us: Bush is doing it from the inside. What do you call that, the 4th column or something like that? Just imagine, a subversive has burrowed all the way into the presidency. And you elected him. Be proud.

Vanax: Plano seems to imply that if the gov. received no income that it would have an infinite amt. of money for its programs, for example Bush's war in Iraq. Is this right?

Pdaphile: Vanax, Plano is stupid ... The theory is less taxes more business investment more jobs more happy people.

Vanax: Enzer, I have always found that the less I am paid, the more I have to spend.

Enzer: Vanax, you too?

Dora: Enzer, I guess one way to get a raise is to quit the job, yaknow? *S*

Planoman: Vanax and Dora....people spend money.......when folks spend, that money is taxed....businesses pay taxes.more money spent by consumers, more money is generated in tax revenues

Vanax: Planoman, I am enough of an economist to know that Bush is not paying for his wild-eyed spending programs world-wide, and is deficit-spending the United States into a huge, multi-generational debt.

Awesomegod: Natchez, you are a pussy.

- end -

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Saving Chats for Blog

Wednesday, 3-15-2006 (454 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click on Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time with these and other chatters!

Chattaholics:
Patriots: Unsoma, Vanax, Intrepid, Spektre Lino, MangosShadow, Brom, Rakitach, HogRider, Cowboybillflett, Robert
Subversives: Awesomegod, Delmer, Jajski, ChristiansareGood, Ollie, Lidsmil

Note: While Doss is credited with the innovation of saving posts for combat, and Imzadi for saving them for exposing chatter's logical fallacies and sharing them with the world, I save them in a dialogue form for reuse in my blog. My blog gives some indication of how our chat community interacts. In a sense, I am a historian for our community.

Delmer: Lindsmil, and now there are blogs about this place!? *L*

LIndsmil: Delmer, oh boy!

Delmer: Lindsmil, a blog is like a message board?

Jajski: Vanax. May I have the URL to your blog?

Vanax: Jajski, here it is: http://www.linotriestinopolitics.blogspot.com

Vanax: Delmer, yes, I am blogging interesting chats that I get from this chat room, making us all famous. *S*

Vanax: Intrepid, I have spent many a late night editing them (the chats that I post) for clarity and flow. You'd be surprised at just how much vacuous stuff I have to edit out in order to tease out the meaningful dialogue. I realized that I have to add the name of the chatter being spoken to to capture the sense of continuity.

Intrepid: Vanax, what an odd hobby?

Vanax: Intrepid, Never thought of it as a hobby; it’s service to community. I am giving back to the community. It's a devotional. *S*

Vanax: Spek, you are too reasonable to put into my blog, but I already recorded one of your dialogues long time ago about what what passages in Tacitus are of relevance today. I will resurrect it for my blog.

Spektre: Vanax,..your saying your blog is not reasonable?*S*

Vanax: Spek, my blog does not necessarily pretent to be objective. *S*

Spektre: Vanax, on the contrary...if it's rough on Bush and co., I'd say it was very objective/aware about his crimes

MangosShadow: Vanax, Nice writing in your blog. I especially appreciate your translation of Bush’s 2006 State of the Union which you call State of the Disunion. It’s true. I just wish is was not archived, you know, unseen, where you have to click the "Archives" link.

Lino: Thanks Mango for the compliment. Archiving is auto -- can't do anything about that. Wish I could.

Vanax: Trep, it's service to community because it emphasizes issues, gives chatters prominence, hence offering them a sense of pride and significance. *S*

Intrepid: Vanax, which chatters feel that way about it....besides you? *l*

Unsoma: Vanax, I have typed a submission for inclusion ON YOUR BLOG SITE VANAX

ChristiansareGood: Vanax, If your blog quotes anything Imzadi says, no serious person would ever take it seriously.

Vanax: ChristiansAreGood, I can only suggest that you not become serious so you can seriously accept it as non-serious writing. *G*

Unsoma: Vanax seems to lift up certain chatters to celeb status--- I wish to offer this ---rebuttal. I have typed a submission for inclusion ON YOUR BLOG SITE VANAX. How grand to read the gushing commentary of nonsense elevating Natchez to some level of celebrity. No man would DO that for some other man- unless.

Unsoma: And Vanax, we have seen so many imposters, posers, cross-dressers in chat. Vanax himself/herself decides THESE sort of posts are worth - 'SAVING'. WHO SAVES OLD POSTS- ah yes. Since my own NOTABLE comment in the litany of 'clever' posts was---- HOW IDIOTIC....

Suffice it so say that would be my take on the efforts to CELEBRATE and elevate a vile man such as Natchez with your? Blog.

A man who posts that women chase him as some sex object- a man who posts that women are C-unts, and a man who has now sunk so low as to no longer practice any manners or civlity WHAT-So-EVER - that would be Natchez, again - I must add--- HOW IDIOTIC. Thanks for the......space...which I obviously invaded to state my own valued opinion. Unsoma aka Vicki ( truth-justice- love and all that other fabricated BS coming YOUR way )

Vanax: Unsoma: I usually upload all comments Uns. Nice to see you are talking to me...again. *S*

Vanax: Uns, like a petuland girl, Uns was avoiding me for days, really feminine-like. Now she is speaking with me again. *S*

ChristiansAreGood: OK, wait. So you guys come here and chat...and then write about the chat room on another website? umm..ok. stupid question here....but WHY?!?

Unsoma: Ah LINZmil, Imzadi did that same thing-- THINK...... who saves old posts? WHO goes to such lengths to make some zippo from a chatroom -- into some celebrity? It is all too obvious---- I think

Spektre: Vanax...how long have you been working on your blog?

Vanax: Spek, I just started the blog recently, for a few weeks, but have been adding to it consistently, frequently, and I enjoy it. Its location is on blogger.com. I have examined and tested several blog services and this one, which I recomend, is pretty good.

Unsoma: Hi guera--- hi BROM..... mangos-- by all means-- go read the VANAX BLOG__ it is some worship site for a --well--chosen few---

Vanax: Unsoma, translation: "I am jealous that I am not in your blog, and trying really hard to sneak in with my comments." *S*

Lidsmil: Delmer....it's like this chat room takes over the lives of a lot of people. I mean really. when you leave this room do you ever think about it or the people in it? I sure the hell dont.

Rakitach: Today (3-13-06) in Samarra, Iraq, Bush did Shock and Awe Revisited. He is killing off Sunis so that Shites can unite with Iran and make Iraq into more of a hell hole to give Bush even more reason to stay there. Proof is that he is spending billions on permanent military bases. Woe to Americans who are joyfully too busy raising families to not stop their president’s murders in Iraq.

Lindmil: Unsoma....is this (chat room) a place to talk shit about chatters or what?

Vanax: Lindsmil, my blog is for entertainment purposes only. Do not take it seriously.

Unsoma: Hey Ollie, Van probably would give you the url--jajski------ some people are made to look like gods there at the blog-- and other chatters to look-- like fools---- but for those who were posting for the sessions here IN THIS ROOM__ guess we know the truth..

Brom: Lindsmil, you mean people in here are like cartoon characters? or ya never think of people u interact with after they are gone?

Lindmil: Brom, I mean I dont think about this place when I am living my life.

Brom: Lindsmil, I guess you think that you die when you visit this chat room. OK. Gotcha. Profound kind of after-life experience you are making of this chat room.

MangosShadow: Unsoma. oh? I just read things writen by some chatter called Lino. I just noticed the saved post *bg*... the opinions by this lino guy are pleasent to read.

Brom: Lindsmil: you mean you kinda split your personality...or you just come here to dump?

Lindsmil: Brom, I come here to kill time when Im bored..usually evenings. It's just a chat room.

Unsoma: BROM___ most of us have chatted a lot-- some of us for many years. None in here are celebrities-- or BETTER.... but apparently BLOG SITES are created to raise SOME to that distinction

Vanax: Unsoma, what you mean to say is, "If anyone is a celebrity after all these years of trying, it's me. No one else can or should be."

Brom: Unsoma, You mean one can become a celebrity on a blog site .. WOW *thinking celebrity*

Brom: Lindsmil: if it is so incongruous .. why bother? or is it just free entertainment you are looking for?

HogRider: I haven't had sex in years..

Unsoma: Cowboy - apparently some may feel they have NOW become-- LEGENDS in their own minds

Lindsmil: Yeah...entertainment..and it IS free ("I borrow'' the internet from my neighbor").

HogRider: Vanax, I'm not starting a blog until they come up with a different name for them...

Brom: Lindsmil: wow...yer having a ball .. and at no expense .. *looking for a neighbor* .. and not just to borrow the net ..

Cowboybillflett: Uns, I'm just a run of the mill celebrity.

Unsoma: Posting my message for the VANAX? blog here--cause that BLOG --- refuses to accept MY handle--claims it cannot --- and another--HA

Unsoma: Vanax, how grand to read the gushing commentary of nonsense elevating Natchez to some level of celebrity. No man would DO that for some other man- unless….We have seen so many imposters, posers, cross-dressers in chat. Vanax himself/herself decides THESE sort of posts are worth - 'SAVING'. WHO SAVES OLD POSTS- ah yes.…since my own NOTABLE comment in the litany of 'clever' posts was---- HOW IDIOTIC.

Unsoma: Suffice it so say, Vanax, that would be my take on the efforts to CELEBRATE and elevate a vile man such as Natchez with your? Blog. A man who posts that women chase him as some sex object- a man who posts that women are C -unts, and a man who has now sunk so low as to no longer practice any manners or civlity WHAT-So-EVER - that would be Natchez, again - I must add--- HOW IDIOTIC. Thanks for the......space...which I obviously invaded to state my own valued opinion. Unsoma aka Vicki ( truth-justice- love and all that other fabricated BS coming YOUR way )

Lindsmil: Ok someone post the link to this ''blog'' so I can point and laugh at it.

Lindsmil: Ok I just went to the blog and after reading about 45 seconds worth I realized it was TOTAL bullshit and Vanax is comepletely full of shit and a poooooooor poooooor judge of character. what a waste of bandwith. *gagola*

Lindsmil: Ok. it (Vanax's blog) is horse shit.

Linsamil: VANAX, you should include on that "blog" that Natchass is a classless, dishonest, vomit-inducing, intellectual midget.

Vanax: Linds, So you don't deny it? *S*

Vanax: Unsoma, got your message loud and clear. Will change the setting so that people can make comments. Still learning its publishing features.

Ollie: Vanax--is there an ignore function on your blog?

Vanax: Ollie, ha ha ha. Yeah, close your eyes and have no one read it to you. And I will code in these instructions, ready for your next visit.

Lindsmil: Ummm AM..I was joking. I do not "borrow" internet from my neighbor. I uh...asked him and he said "yeah, go ahead and SHARE it with me". we are friends and all.....yeah.

Unsoma: MARY__ he (Nacthez) craves negative attention-- and lately -- as I have stated in post 1292-- and at VANAX's BLOG__ Natchez is posting filthy retorts and antagonizing women in here more than ever. Let him be elevated to celeb status in someone's mind-- he has sunk very low--as to credibility in here. And I do believe YOU are who YA claim to be--- cause sonlt and zulz and whoever else-- were not farmers nor hunters.

Unsoma: appreciate this (adding my post to your blog) VANAX

Unsoma: Vanax, the Vanax blog would not allow me to ad my commentary-- IT said my handle was already registered--- HA___ THAT is also NOT accurate--- so I came here to expose--make that EXPLAIN my impressions of the - - blog - -

Lindsmil: Vanax, OH THE IRONY!

Lindsmil: Vanax, Im saying..coming from YOU that is an irrelevant comment. You need to get your head out of Natchez and Dossets asses(assuming they dont SHARE one)and get in tune with reality. The time you waste worshipping them on your blog is time you could utilize expanding your own thoughts and ideas. You are lame.

Spektre: Vanax, not a single photo on your blog, just like Pradeep. *tsk*. Photos add interest, and break up and clarify one passage from the next. That was one of the pieces of advice I gave to pradeep.

Robert: You people can't say ONE good thing that has resulted due to Bush.

Hogrider: Robert, People are starting to recognize why the (majority of) Republicans were out (of positions of leadership) for forty years.

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Saving Chats for Combat

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (454 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click on Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time. Not a message board.

Chatteristi
The Good: Belladonna, Doss, Fenryr, Jajski, Prometheus, Unsoma , Vanax.
The Bad: Crosseyedmary, Heyheyjulia, Yabutt.

Note: Doss/Natchez is credited with the innovation of archiving posts and then reposting them to the chatter who originally posted them. He does this whenever he sees a chatter saying something different and then points out inconsistencies. It’s a slap in the face and a poke in the eye approach to chat combat. I believe he first introduced it when our chat community was in WBS Chat. Its use was, and continues to be, ridiculed by those afraid to be held accountable for what they previously said.
Copying and pasting a chatter’s post (here edited out for brevity) is also a helpful way to indicate the post being addressed.

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Prometheus: Heyheyjulia, no offence...but I think that saving posts from people made months or even years ago is just as much an indictment on the mentality of the saver as what the re-posting of if intends to demonstrate in the author of the original post...that would have to be bordering on an unhealthy obsession of hatred of that person surely.

Heyheyjulia: Prometheus, yeah but when a couple people constantly get orgasmic over old posts it can be fun once in awhile to dust off one of theirs

CrossEyedMary: Natchez, I dont save posts like an imbecile.

Vanax: Crosseyedmary, then you do indeed save posts, just not like an imbecile. So what's the difference in method between your saving posts intelligently and saving them as if you were an imbecile?

Fenryr, Tao, fuck chat posts, who needs to save THAT crap? It would take too much space in my iPod. *l*

Yabutt: Fen u can save chat posts to a 4 gig dvd and have one hell of a file *L*

Jajski: *cannot fathom why anyone would save chat posts*

Fenryr: Fuck savin' CHAT posts. *g*

Doss: Jajski, I use it (saving and reposting chats) to expose liars and hypocrites, of course.

Unsoma: Some (of those who save chat posts) need memories-- HA

Jajski: Doss, *cannot fathom why anyone would save chat posts*

Belladonna: Jajski, they save them (posts) to use them to belittle others, or to hold someone accountible for what they post in a chat room.. *lmao*

Doss: Julia isn't so hot on us exposing liars and hypocrites3.

Doss: Heyheyjulia: Yeah, expose them in a CHAT ROOM.

Crosseyedmary: Ann Marie, you dont save posts, do you?

Unsoma: And hi julia--you holding people accountable and keeping them honest?

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Subversive/Patriotic TV

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (1448 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time. Not a message board.

Note: Subversive TV shows promote undemocratic and unconstitutional values. These can be defined as militarism, glorification of militarism, colonial expansionism, de-civilianization, putting wrong emphasis on the military, and tokenism for the role of congress, the people’s representatives. Patriotic TV shows portray civilians engaged in responsible civilian activities. But you let me know what you think.

Subversive TV Programs
The following subversive programs save the day by military means.

1. Stargate SG1. Three to four likeable main characters solve humanity's problems without consulting congress or the American people. They feel they know that the military can best solve problems, and in secret, hidden from public scrutiny, from deep within a mountain. Produces: Brad Cooper and – Bright. UPN-TV
2. Stargate Atlantis. The same Constitutional flaws as above.
3. Mighty Morphing Power Rangers. Another military group -- this one that indoctrinates children -- solves profound problems without the OK from the public. The unconstitutional premise is that the ends justify the means, especially if the solution is executed with flair, color, and excitement.
4. The Sixth Ring. The nearly exclusive focus on military doodads and plans makes the US look like a national security state that is unconcerned with civilian authorities.
5. The Unit. Glorifies the invasion of Afghanistan and, by extension, the militarization of civilian society. The producers plucked the phlegm-voiced main character right out of Keifer Sutherland’s "24." Today's segment (Tue. 3-14-06) ends with the man he captured for interrogation opening the plane’s door and suicidally jumping out. If this part was based on a true event, I suspect that he was thrown out so that he could not implicate higher ups, but now sanitized to make Bush’s war look good. The segment made wives look shallow and self-absorbed, waiting for their military husbands to come home. Throughout, the complicit wives congregate at home, obsessing over their husband's military jobs. They don’t tell their stupid husbands to stop being absentee dads. I guess this makes them stupid too. Stupid women deserve stupid men.
6. NCIS. Each week the taciturn, no nonsense US Navy commander -- with "FEDERAL AGENT" plastered in white on the back of his black jacket -- and his high testosterone, wise-ass crew, aided by a female Israeli spy, invade American civilian territory to catch a criminal not in their jurisdiction. The civilian police are made to look incompetent or silly, hence irrelevant, while his Navy has all the answers.

Semi-Patriotic TV Programs
These shows emphasize moderation in most activities.

1. The West Wing. A paradigm in civilian control; the president makes far ranging choices that impact all citizens.
2. Madame President. The first female president does the business and the scriptwriters and the show's producers make congress look like a collection of schemers.

Patriotic TV Programs
Patriotic TV shows are not about the executive branch.

1. Veronica Mars. An intelligent high school student intelligently solves crimes in her neighborhood. It's patriotic because it portrays her and other civilian citizens in a favorable light, doing responsible things.

Unfortunately, there are no adult TV programs focusing on members of Congress, the people's representatives. There should be.

There is a paucity of shows about the serious lives of the American people, outside of a plethora of police shows that are multiplying like rabbits. By their nature, they put ordinary civilians into criminal "sitdrams," (situation dramas) in an unfavorable light.

The multitude of comedies on air is little better; they put people into situational inanities. Because this is what people are not about, these shows make common citizens look shameful, degraded, and pitiful, hence unpatriotic and deserving strick control from authorities. No one seems to see control as a problem in a democratic form of gov.

Such a large number of police and military and sitcom shows, and an embarrassing paucity of civilian shows that treat civilians with intelligence, may indicate that society is generally more accepting about moving toward a police ideal and a diminishing respect for civilians and a civilian form of gov.

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Dana Chat 1of 6

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (1448 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat with Dana and other chatters in real time.

Chatteristi:
The Good: B, Dana, Fubar, Kewp, Rakitach, Rocksteady, SaltCloud, Saintincognito, Salty, Vanax
The Ugly: Awesomegod, FP, Intrepid, Jajski, Lilly, Marta, Prapius

Note: Dana leads a chat surrounding two issues: The banning of Vanax and a chatter's violation of Gemini's privacy.

Dana's style of chat is a breath of fresh air compared to the often flaccid and limpid style practiced by too many at the Boston Tea Party chat room. Her breezy, aggressive approach elevates us all. A warrior with Amazonian forcefulness, she slays all Rightwingers with flair and bravado that shocks the meek and makes Rightwingers whine.

I am sure that her genes can be traced back in time to when her female warrior ancestors, the tall blonde Amazons, as recorded by the surprisingly reliable Greek historian Herodotus -- and recently proven by Dr. Jean Davis Kimball, PhD -- overwhelmed her Greek captors, landed on the eastern shores of the Black Sea where they intermarried with Scythian men, members of an equally aggressive wandering tribe, to produce another aggressive tribe of nomads, the Sarmatians, who ranged from the current steppes of S. Russia in the west, to present day Western Magnolia in the east.

Her wide-ranging combat strategy is to use Rightwinger style of subversive chat against them in a deliciously patriotic way.

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Rocksteady: Dana, (when you asserted without proof that MystiSea violated Gemini's privacy), you do know of course that hearsay evidence is inadmissable. Don't you?

Prapius: All liberals are ratbastards.

Dana: Rakitach, Maybe so, but Vanax is one brilliant lesbian living in bhutan. So brilliant i had a slight crush on her, yes.

B, Njso, I try to always be nice to everyone....unless someone is nasty to me...then I give it right back.

Tut: Marta: Who Vanax? He was posting that picture of dead people. Though he didn't know what it was all about. It seemed he was in a great need to creat issues.

Rakitach: Tut, you are misinformed, yet again. Vanax, I was told, never showed dead people. Learn to observe accurately.

Rakitach: Marta, is Tut right that Vanax was fabricating an issue by showing the dead mangled Iraqi corpse or did Bush actually create the issue by his illegal invasion?

Marta: saying something in a chatroom is different then calling up ones' boss.

Dana: Marta, dont be absurd.

Jajski: Dana. Oh please ... you're talking to a nurse *L the picture WAS gruesome. The picture didn't BOTHER me. What bothered me was the way vanax played it. He knew full well it was a bannable pic and tried to make US look like WE were intolerant. Go piss up a rope hon.

Rakitach: What does pissing up a rope represent to you?

Marta: Rakitach, what dead people?

Rakitach: Marta, Dana correctly obsrved that Vanax showed a guesomely mangled body of a dead Iraqi. Nothing wrong with that. He was just showing the truth.

Salty: Lilly, we've all chatted here for years. We all have our likes and dislikes. We've had our arguements. We've said things we shouldn't have to each other, but life goes on. Misty has been with us for a long time. Dana and Gemini are among the newbies. All the sudden we have all this drama. Jasper has done simular things in the past to female chatters, but he's way out there, and at first he played on their sympathies, and that is how he got them to give him the information he used to harrase them.

Lilly: Salty, This is different & I don't beleive for one second what Dana is saying. I think she is a Drama Queen trouble maker, and needs to go back to where ever she came from. She has probably already burned all her bridges there too. *shrug*

Rakitach: Lilly, Dana is a patriot, fighting the good fight. You should be as outrged by Bush's illegal, brutal, and fiscally irresponsible war in Iraq. Why don’t you put as much energy into complainging about it? *S*

Lilly, I'm not shocked that Dana would make this whole thing up. It's right up her Drama Queen alley.

Salty, Lilly, but Dana is not doing that (posting chatter’s personal info), is she? So Dana is not the problem.

Rakitach: That’s right Salty, Rightwingers are making Dana the problem when they are afraid to focus on the problem Rightwinger who posted Gemini's private data. Naturally, they would have their priorities upturned. After all, they are Rightwingers. What else can we expect from them.

Fp: Salty, but Dana is so blinded with hate for republicans she refuses to believe what Gemini said *L*

Intrepid: Marta, I never worry about lib death threats cuz they got no balls.

B: Kewp, That's what Gurjar said to Mr.Nobody. At first I thought he was giving a ''for instance'' example because Mr.Nobody was at first hinking of assigning that lunatic Suzy (who is on the staff of SFWest per Mr. Nobody) as a monitor in here...but then changed his mind. Now I'm realizing that Gurjar was serious. Jesus H. Christ.

Saltcloud: Lilly, A Rightwinger reported Vanax for showing a grusome (true) pict. So was I when I showed the abu ghraib pics, not having been warned. that same Rightwinger showed a severed head reported me, but did not report any of the others who showed similar picts. Where is the fairness and justice!?

Marta: Rakitach, oh oh! Jajski told somebody to go piss on a rope that means she is mad.

Rakitach: Mara, Jajski is fuming that she can't face to the fact that the policies she supports create murderous monsters out of her troops.

Kewp: Marta, lol too funny.

Jajski: Dana, you are intolerant, duh

Dana: Jajski, and you cant handle the fact that your war has slaughtered thousands of people. hypocrits is what ya are. And suzy is not a lunatic, shes a sweetheart, and different- leave her alone

Rakitach: AwesomeGod, there are lots of baitings for which chatters do not get banned, so, by that standard, Rightwinger Christians need to ban many more chatters, no? *S* I just wonder how many more Rightwing Christians will join Awesomegod's un-Christian effort to ban even more people. But I am against banning for any reason.

Prapius: The only way I would have done the ignore pic thing is if the pic was majorly distasteful or porn and the kids were in the room *L*

Jajski: *L marta ... I'm tired of watching the drama queens in here ... stirring trouble ... *gag* ... how desperate for attention can they be

Dana: Fubar, mustypee posted Gemini's full name yesturday and then just by coincidence (sarcasm) someone contacted Gemini’s boss

B: FP, I can't imagine Misty calling someone's employer of being involved in that kind of stuff. Plus, Gemini said it wasn't Misty,right?

Marta: Yes, well Jajski some people live lives of quiet desperation...in Danas case the desperation is rather loud.

Kewp: Complete, if in fact misty did post Gemini's full name, she should be banned

Jajski: Dana, you really ARE a fucking troublemaker. I didn't mention suzy.

Msnat: Icome here when I wanna see people bitch *L*

Fubar: Kewp, Sounds like I missed some kind of incident. What happened?

Rakitach: Dana, Suzy has her own chatroom. Someone is saying that Suzy instigated, at least in part, the banning of Gemini. If so, I wonder if she got Vanax banned too, maybe to force them into her chatroom. *G*

Prapius: Anything Dana says is a lie.

Complete: If in fact misty did post Gemini's full name, she should be banned.

Awesomegod: Hi mel..cutie pie

Jajski: Vanax got himself banned ... he was pushing buttons ... and he knows it.

Rakitach: Jajski, Vanax engaged chatters in a political dialogue using a real good pict but Rightwing supporters of the war resented that form of engagement and whined to the room owner. What can we call chatters who are Christian, want to drop even more bombs on innocents, and then whine when the get offended? There should be some specific name for this kind of pathology.

Fubar: Mistysea is part of the coven of republicunts. Wouldn't surprise me at all to learn she was passing around somebody's personal info.

Saintincognito: Suzy banned Gemini? since when

Saltcloud: Jajski, Not being able to post pics with blood on them (such as the one that Vanax posted), from either side, is a pity, for we miss a lot (by using just words to communicate). ....words, descriptions will have to do...and for the most part, do a good job of giving a 'picture'.

B: Always4him, Someone from here called your employer without your permission?

Complete: FAUX PAS, Gemini said Misty didnt post Gemini's real name???


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Plano & Cutie

Friday, 2-17-2006 (1912 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time with Planoman and us all.

Chatteristi
Patriotic Citizens: Dana, Dora, Dutchie, Enzer, Minute, Pdaphile, Rakitach, SaltCloud, Vanax
Insular Elitists: Cutiefoot, Planoman

Note: Planoman is a long time and regular chatter of the Boson Tea Party chat room, which makes him a significant, if misinformed, contributor.

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Cutiefoot: Vanax, on a humanitarian level, do you believe that it is good to liberate the Iraqi people?

Vanax: Cutie, I believe nothing. I instead observe the facts, which are that the UN Weapons inspectors destroyed any remaining WMDs, and Blix, the last head inspector, whom Bush really liked because he actually -- like you -- wanted to believe that Saddam indeed had WMDs, but did not find any, was dismayed they were not there. What he found was old shells and canisters that were either empty or that contained degraded bio. material. The disappointed Blix finally admitted to this. So, I ask you again, what WMDs did Bush know about? Where did he know they were located, and why didn’t he report their location to the inspectors and to his troops so the could find them? Why did he send his troops on a wild goose chase on purpose? So why did he convince you Republitards that his illegal invasion was necessary?

Dutchie: Vanax, *lol*

Cutiefoot: Vanax, You are wrong and very biased.

Vanax: Cutie, How am I biased? Blix and Kay said that Saddam had no WMDs but Bush said Saddam did have them. Since Bush knew about them, where did Bush hide them? Care to tell us where Bush, who knew about them, hid them so that his army could avoid those locations and could then truthfully say that it could not find them, which gave him the pretext to invade? Oh boy Cutie. You are brainwashed to the max.

Planoman : PDA-Chatter, After our entry into afghanistan and much od al qeada fled like cockroaches.....even into Iraq...we had plenty of reasons to go after Iraq.........

Vanax: Hmmm...let's see, you are saying that Bush did a competent thing by allowing Al Qaeda to escape from Afgh. and infoltrate Iraq? Is this it? A good plan would have been to prevent this contingency from happening. Don't you think? *S*

Vanax: Plano, yeah, Bush let terrorists infiltrate Iraq whereas before, Saddam kept them isolated outside Iraq. Saddam displayed good pretty good leadership, I would say. Saddam did a superb job protecting his country from Al Qaeda, and Bush sucked at it. If you think that Bush is competent, then it seems that it was Bushs plan. If you think he was incompetent, then he allowed them in by mistake. Which is it? Can’t be both. You are stuck with asking, “Do I want to admit that he is competent so that he wanted to let them into Iraq, which means he did a worse job than Saddam, or that Bush was incompetent to let them in?”

Cutiefoot: Vanax, So are you saying a tyrannical regime like the one under sadaam hussein should remain in power when we ever have reason to believe America is threatened?

Vanax: Cutiefoot, you listed three reasons that Fucktards on the Right gave as justification after the fact for the invasion, with each one a failed fall-back reason for the previous failed one. Bush pulled the same thing on us. I and many of us intelligent chatters did not fall for his deliberate misinformation right from the start. You did. Look at your own ignorance for why you fail to understand and correct your self-deception.

Planoman: Vanax, She'd have to be...her thinking Cutiefoot could actually have a rational discussion with you

Vanax: Cutie sounds dumb and dumber with each dumb post.

Dutchie: Vanax, she is sonlits daughter. Not a bad kid.

Planoman: Vanax, the yellowcake was NOT fake

Vanax: Saddam trying to get it from Niger was fake, Plano. Plame’s husband found that the story was based on phony documents originating from Italy. Later we learn that Michael Ladeen had something to do with them. We don’t know exactly what because the fucktard Ladeen, like all NeoCons and surviving and resurrected Old Cold Warriors in the WH, is keeping the extent of his likely despicable involvement secret.

Planoman: Vanax, I know it's tough for you...but TRY actually reading........Bush's claims were that Iraq TRIED to aquire yellowcake.............and this was concluded from the BUTLER report...............and confirmed by captured documents about dummy corps set up by saddam to accomplish this.

Vanax: Planoman, Oh yeah. Get real. Like I said, Plame’s husband concluded that Saddam did not try to get any Yellow Cake. Bush was pissed because it gave Rumsfeld less reason to invade Iraq with was already predetermined, and then Libby and Cheney vindictively outed Plame to get back at her husband and, in the process, endangered national security.

Oh, we know that Saadam's generals and scientists set up phony weapons programs, which may also mean phony documents from dummy corporations that Saddam's top generals set up to make it look as if they were were manufacturing WMDs -- you know, on the ball? Your incompetent CIA then listened to the chatter and, that part of the CIA that wanted to believe the generals who believed the chatter from Saddam 's generals, told Cheney to uncritically believed it all.

In other words, Saddam lied to his generals and the CIA pretended to believe that lie which they then reported as truth to Rumsfeld, Cheney, and Bush, the troika of evil.

Dutchie: Vanax: yep. She is just a kid.

Vanax: Dutchie, well, two things: I educated Cutiefoot because she was uneducated about the truth, but I may have been a bit too hard on her.

Vanax: Minute, you will note that I did not call her stupid; I just said she sounded like that. I don't call names. *S*

Minute: Vanax, yer more tolerant and friendlier than i am...

Vanax: Plano, when Bush stumped to overhaul Social Security, his support dropped the more he promoted it. What fun. And his repeated speeches to shore up support for the Iraq war haven't worked. ''Bush's poll numbers are going from bad to worse,'' said Andy Kohut, director of Pew Research Center, a Washington-based nonpartisan research group.”

Vanax: When Bush stumped to overhaul Social Security, his support dropped more the more he stumped for it. How funny. Must have been embarrassing. No. It’s Bush.

Rakitach: Cutiefoot, his brain matter is not capable of embarrassment. Look, the main selling point for the Bush invasion was WMDs. Remember Rice's ''mushroom cloud'' scare? Remember Powell holding up that fake Anthrax into the air at the UN and scaring the living bejesus out of all present there? I do. Then Yellow cake, aluminum tubes, mobile bio labs. All fake. So, no, Bush did not sell you the war based on Saddam being a brutal dictator. Hell, that's what dictators do!! They are bad people to their own. But the US does not attack Guatemala for its brutality to its own people. Why? No oil there? Give me a break. You sound really stupid and uneducated.

Vanax: Minute, so Cutie is your pregnant daughter?

Minute: No..she is going to be my pregnant girlfriend...just as soon as i can spirit her away from that fat janitor father of hers...

Vanax: Ahh, gotcha. I just hope that she does not spring yet another Rightwinger onto the world. *G*

Minute: I'll drown em as fast as she can pump em out...

Vanax: Minute, and they accused me, ha, of verbal brutality for my BHL remarks.

Minute: They'd accuse me too, but most people have me on ignore. *L*

Enzer: Minute, *S* Zulz leads the league tables on that one, being ignored. *g*

Vanax: Hi Dana. Minute has a Rightwing girlfriend, a pregnant one. She was here earlier preaching the goodness of Bush, but I educated her otherwise, so she left to think about it. Plano said that I educated her the wrong way. *S*

Minute: Vanax, I was just kidding. I'd rather date a rabid cocker spaniel than have a rightwing girlfriend

Vanax: Minute, I think you just punked me!!

Dana: Vanax, LOL

Minute: Vanax...well i incorrectly assumed you knew about my relationship with people that lack any synaptic activity....

Vanax: Dana, good news: Bush slept most of today. That's a half of a day during which time Bush is losing coaching time from Rove. Good for us loyal Americans.

SaltCloud: A respected opinion of the Bush war:

• "What would Wilfred Owen make of the invasion of Iraq? A bandit act, an act of blatant state terrorism, demonstrating absolute contempt for the concept of International Law. An arbitrary military action inspired by a series of lies upon lies and gross manipulation of the media and therefore of the public."

Vanax: Dana, did you know that Gary is also Dosset/Nachez?

Dana: Vanax, I've heard that, though I've also heard Doss is his own person too, from a gal who has talked to him while Natchez has posted in the chat, so....

Dana: Vanax, I thought Hobson was Natchez but i was mistaken, Hobson got on my case about using the term Republitard, then Natchez used it so i think ill leave the multihandle guessing up to the pros*L*

Vanax: Dana, Maybe the Dosset handle is used by a multitude of similarly intelligent and educated former teachers.

Dana: *LOL* @ Vanax

Planoman: Dana, too bad you weren't here to witness Rakitach in all his glorly slandering a dead chatter (BHL, Troub’s former husband), then ignorantly claiming to educate a younge chatter who was simply trying to have a discussion then calling her an idiot...........then makes a cheeky remark about her "bringing another rightwinger in the world." This is what you have all become..........democlones

Rakitach: Planoman, I said she sounded stupid; I did not say "an idiot." Learn to read. Shoot, Dana is right; You indeed may be a Republitard.

SaltCloud: Owen then said that the invasion was "An act intended to consolidate American military and economic control of the Middle East masquerading - as a last resort (all other justifications having failed to justify themselves) - as liberation. A formidable assertion of military force responsible for the death and mutilation of thousands upon thousands of innocent people."

Vanax: Plano, you are reverting to your extremely bad Rightwing syntax. What are you talking about?

Planoman: Vanax...I just have to wonder as to exactly how many stupid, disgusting things you are going to say today

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file: StupidPlanoman1.doc

Voodoo

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (1912 words)

http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party
Join us there for lively chat in real time with Voodoo and other chatters!


Chatteristi
The Good: Doss, Natchez, Vanax
The Ugly: Voodoo

Note: Voodoo is a man of few words -- most of them used in derogatory sentences -- and even less insight. The best way to chat with Voo is with short, clipped sentences. He does not read long, thoughtful posts. Complexity confounds his gray matter. He probably really likes that Bush 's desperation to find recruits for his war is compelling him to begin arresting Viet Nam war deserters. Is he planning to put them in the same unit as the 70 year old that Bush got to join?

Voodoo often recruits for Bush's illegal war that he vehemently supports, and expresses concern over a chatter's unwillingness to join it. He does not say why he is safely chatting here, in the rear guard, out of danger, instead of fighting for the pres., there in the front lines.

- begin -
Voodoo: Nutchezz served popcorn at movies theaters (presumably during Viet Nam).

Natchez: Voodoo served prapius at movie theaters, and ended up with gum on his knees.

Voodoo: Nutchezz was my biggest customer..............he sucked it up.

Natchez: Voodoo served prapius at movie theaters, and ended up with gum on his knees.

Voodoo: Vanax, you’re a lewzer.

Vanax: True patriots give the ultimate sacrifice, their life. So if you did not die in your war, you are only a partial patriot. Why are you still alive? Who is the loser now? *LOL*

Voodoo: Nutchezz...............tell us what your army MOS was.

Voodoo: How in the fuck did allfie get a green card? ............sucked his way into this country?..........

Vanax: Voodoo failed his country by weaseling out of dying for it. I guess he does not believe in it enough to die for it.

Voodoo: Dosset said this: “I've never made any secret of the fact that I dodged the draft.”

Doss: Voodoo can't stand it that I dodged the draft by enlisting.

Voodoo: Dossnatch, you don't even know what a MOS is ya deserter

Vanax: Voo, you are still at your computer in stead of giving all you have, which means your life, for your and Bush’s war in Iraq?

Voodoo: Vanax, ya fucking deserter.

Voodoo: Nutchezz.............what was your amry MOS? Everyone had a MOS..........

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file: Voodoo1.rtf

Doss/Natchez 1 of 1

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (2752 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time. Not a message board.

Chatteristi
The Good: Belladonna, Dana, Dora, Doss, Dutchie, Enzer, Gangi, Minute, Natchez, Pdaphile, Promethius, Rakitach, SaltCloud, Stu, Vanax
The Ugly: AnnMarie, Barnstormer, Cutiefoot, Crosseyedmary, Heyheyjulia, Mistysea, Palerider, Planoman, Taokapow, Victor

Note: Dosset and/or Natchez captivate Rightwing chatters as he outrages them. That’s why they have several derogatory terms of respect for him: Nutchezz, El Nachezeera, Asshole, Dosshit, Dossnatch. The more of these names a chatter elicits, in my opinion, the more significant the chatter’s chats are, and no one gets called more names, and more often, than Natchez and/or Dosset.

The usual Doss style is to not mince words and instead make statements that are direct and forceful. Sometimes a less mature personality appears. It’s probably a younger person, probably one of his children. But the usual person behind the handle is normally the same person, most likely a man, but maybe a disguised woman.

His use of superb syntax indicates an extensive academic education in an institution of higher learning, probably with some continuing education under his belt or in her purse, and perhaps teaching experience, which is likely lengthy, probably college or university.

It is suspected that he sometimes uses our chats, what we post, as a teaching tool. His method seems to be to project the chats on the large screen, giving his students opportunities to issue posts, interactively, in real time. He has left tantalizing hints for this and would love to learn more, especially his students’ reactions.

Since our chat room has to do with politics, usually, his broadcasts may be in a politically oriented class, such as civics, world gov., or history. I can see the benefits of real-time chat for students: It forces them to think on their feet, which fulfills critical thinking requirements, as well as to examine issues of current import.

But this chat could also be used in a basic logic class since his chats are usually oriented around the proper and improper use of logic. Less likely is his use of this room to expose students to a slice of Rightwingerland that seems to revel in its undereducation and ignorance.

He is mostly Liberal in his politics, conservative in his values, a Christian in the best sense of the word, a respected member of his community, seems to be a devoted family man, and most likely retired. He knows that there is a moral difference between waging legal and illegal wars, as well as war for self-protection and for profiteering.

But it’s obvious that he just enjoys practicing logic and uses our chatroom as an entertaining way to combat the lies and misinformation emanating from Rightwingers.

He knows how to use logic tricks’ fine points to confuse and anger his chat enemies, almost exclusively Rightwingers and NeoCons. It looks to me that he is most interested in getting chatters caught in logical fallacies and then pointing this out to them in excruciating repetition with minor variations which causes them to misspell words, indicating frustration. When he needs to, he can mud wrestle with the worst of them.

A popular and easy one is to bait a Rightwinger into performing ad hominem, this being an attack on the person, not on the argument. Its user is the loser of the argument. A typical statement to indicate a win to the loser is to say, “Chatter so-and-so has begun to call names, indicating that he/she has fallen in to a logical fallacy. This in indicates a weak mind,” or something like that. He also manipulates chatters into a corner where they are forced, by their own logic, to conclude either of two unfavorable conclusions they he knows they don’t want to admit to. This is fun to watch.

Because most of his time is spent catching chatters in logic dead ends, and his command of logic and comprehension is inordinately high for a chat room denizen, it’s difficult to understand why he does logic combat with pedestrian minds. I suppose the payoff could be an easy ego boost but this is just speculation, I admit.

Of the eighty or so regulars users of the Boston Tea Party chat room, he is among approximately twenty that make a positive impact, and serves as a role model in the areas of engaging other chatters, introducing newsworthy items that are interesting, and using good, standard English. One could mistake him for an English, logic, and debate tutor via example.

When he enters the room, he makes a grand entrance, and Rightwingers are awestruck by his presence and, later, are astounded by his command of the art of debate. He uses many of the tricks of an expert debater. Unfortunately, I here capture only a measly handful and feel that I have not fairly captured the best of Dosset/Natchez. For this, I apologize, and hope that you, he, and others can send supporting chats that demonstrate his brilliance. *S*

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Natchez: Heyheyjulia, Freud called it (what you are observing about me) PROJECTION.

Heyheyjulia: Geesh Natchez, Picky picky. Looks like the ''partner'' is having to dance with his butt sticking out to make room for the PROJECTION

CrosseyedMary: Notice that dosset and Natchez refuse to establish their credibility.

Natchez: Asking Crosseyedmary to establish her credibility is like asking prapius (a vile male chatter with a sexual identity crisis) to NOT talk about male body parts.

Victor: Crosseyedmary, He doesn’t establish his credibility because he knows that he can't. He's tried this pretense before, and gotten caught lying. It's why he keeps bringing this up, to try to distract attention away from the fallacy of his claims to have served..which we've punctured, numerous times.

Taokapow: Natch. you are certifiable.

Heyheyjulia: Natchez, geesh, looks like the ''partner'' is having to dance with his butt sticking out to make room for the gut

Mistysea: Doss doesn't even have a clue who he is. Just read what Doss posted to Imzadi:

“dosset . . . . Imzadi: Yes, you are perceptive and intelligent, so you aren't suckered in by the myth that I and dosset are the same person.”

Doss: Natchez, Pale can't establish HIS credibility. That's because he pens stuff like this. *S*

Palerider: Sorry..it was YOU (Doss) that defined who, according to you, who the 'them' were in SunnyBelle's post

Doss: But, pale? There is no ''them'' in Sunnybelle's post.

Palerider : Dosset..of course...them is stated as 'they' in SunnyBelle's post...

Doss: But, Pale, there is no ''they'' in Sunnybelle's post either. What gives? Quoting Sunny: ''the good guys are the ones fighting for freedom.''

Pale: (to Doss) Asshole.

Heyheyjulia: Misty, did you miss doss's blown pm from last week? where he told Nat to call so they could discuss chat strategy? LMAO

Vanax: Oh gosh. Doss has already hoodwinked Cross and Victor. This is too easy for him and they should be embarrassed. *S*

Doss: Vanax, I set them up and then knock them down like bowling pins. They're too stupid to realize I've made fools of them.

Doss: Natchez, Did I show you the PM julia sent begging me to come make love to her?

Natchez: dosset, I'd rather not see it. *S*

Mistysea:The first clue that dosset didn't go for women came early.

Natchez: I already proved Victor lied. *S*

Jajski: I think we're not all being nice in here ........... *sigh*

Mistysea: Heyheyjulia, I have that and I have another one like it -- where doss says let's go to mode 3 with the other handles.

Heyheyjulia: Misty, I guess it keeps them off the streets

Doss: Natchez: I showed it to my wife; she said I should give julia a sympathy fuck.

Taokapow: Doss. please do not refer to your manfriend as your wife.

Barnstormer: Heyheyjulia...Discuss chat strategy? Jesus Murphy, these people are over the top. So much for spontaneity

Mistysea: I have to enter real life -- dinner meeting at The Run of The Mill!! Ciao!!

Palerider: It (counter-insults) never takes him (Natchez) long. Hbere is a case in point:

Natchez: Voodoo served prapius at movie theaters, and ended up with gum on his knees.

Doss: When TrueScot posted this earlier,

“Delmer..Doss doesnt have control of his bowels,”

I observed that (we earlier were having) a discussion about how right wingers use juvenile name-calling, talk of body parts, bodily functions, nonsensical slang, sex, the degrading of women, etc. to get their ''point'' across. Others commented that they've hardly ever seen anyone except rightwingers behave like that. Natchez has advanced the theory that rightwingers are simply angrier and more frustrated than the rest of us, because deep down they see the rest of the nation moving further and further away from them. They're just very frustrated and angry, and it makes them behave like nasty-minded children.

Victor: Unfortunately for poor dossNatch (a Rightwing tearm of respect for Doss), though, the reality is found here:

''It became a symbol of the long-cherished dream of all U.S. Army military intelligence training being consolidated at one location. That dream was enabled by the Base Closure and Realignment Act, or BRAC, of 1988, which called for the move of the U.S. Army Intelligence School at Fort Devens to Fort Huachuca. A small Forward Transition Support element from Devens arrived in August 1992.''


Taokapow: I've done a fair bit of sleepfucking

Natchez: Pale took that quote out of context.

Prometheus: Fenryr, LOL...its bizarre here sometimes.

Natchez: Apparently Victor isn't aware that there was more than one intelligence school. *S*

Victor: ''It (some military spy school) became a symbol of the long-cherished dream of all U.S. Army military intelligence training being consolidated at one location. That dream was enabled by the Base Closure and Realignment Act, or BRAC, of 1988, which called for the move of the U.S. Army Intelligence School at Fort Devens to Fort Huachuca. A small Forward Transition Support element from Devens arrived in August 1992.''

That kind of destroys poor dossNatch's claim to have taught at the school at Huachuca in the '70s...no matter how many times he posts the first sentence of what he found on the internet when he was fantasizing his fake ''career''.

Taokapow: I believe Natch is desperately short of oxygen

Natchez: Victor, who told you there was only one intelligence school?

Prometheus: Heyheyjulia: I see your point...but I'm still holding to mine...there is definitely something wrong on both sides of the fence if that is going on...at least to me ~L~

Natchez: Doss, I believe Tao is drunk out of his mind.

AnnMarie: Homestead is hosed...

Awesomegod: Natchez teaching the CIA?

Taokapow: Earth to Natchez....earth to Natchez....earth to Natchez....

Victor: Oh, gosh...now poor dossNatch is going to pretend that he taught at some ''secret'' intelligence school at Fort Huachuca...one that only HE knew about, I suppose. Again, sad little man, to have to make up such ridiculous fantasies.

Natchez: Apparently Victor isn't aware that there was more than one intelligence school. *S*

Heyheyjulia: Natchez, which is of no consequence anyway since you didn't serve in the US military.

Taokapow: Pale, I think it reveals your view is not representative of how society feels about the issue.

Sarvistree: Looks like the room is descending into Zulzian hell.

Talokapow: Natch did indeed serve during the vietnam war. just not on our side.

Natchez: Here are the names of some of the intelligence schools:

1. National Cryptologic School (NSA) - Fort Meade, MD
2. Goodfellow AFB - San Angelo Texas
3. The U.S. Naval Technical Training Center (NTTC), Corry Station, Pensacola, Florida.
That's just three, there are others. Poor Vic-cunt.

Taokapow: Natch did indeed serve during the vietnam war. just not on our side.

Voodoo: Taokapow, you ain't even a american............

Taokapow: Voodoo. you silly fucker. australians were in vietnam.

Voodoo: Taokapow, did YOU see any of them there?..............

Taokapow: Voodoo. of course not (in Viet Nam). I was in kindergarten (in Australia) at the time. dumbarse.

Natchez: After Julia proves I didn't serve in the military, I'll prove Julia never finished high school. And that's a promise. *S*

Natchez: Victor needs to study up before he hits the SEND button. *S*

Stu: Vanax, Tell who is an who is not a good Chritian... Unless you're the All Mighty... But he doesn't chat...

Doss: Natchez: Clummer says that Victor doesn't ''know shit.''

Natchez: Oh, I forgot about another one: US Army Security Agency Training Center and School- Fort Devens, MA

Natchez: Gosh, where's Vic-cunt? *S*

Ann Marie: Fenryr, you can put all the posts on one of those neat little stick drives and carry them around in your pocket even...heh

Doss: Natchez, Victor also didn't know that a man only had to stand for the draft lotter ONCE during Nam.

Natchez: Why in the hell would the military only have ONE intelligence school? Poor Vic-cunt.

Victor: Of course, when you consider that dossNatch's claim included the ''fact'' that the unit in which he pretended to serve in the '70's was the 306th MI Battalion, it becomes even funnier:

306th MILITARY INTELLIGENCE
BATTALION
Inactivated 27 June 1959 at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Redesignated 1 February 1990 as the 306th Military Intelligence Battalion; concurrently withdrawn from the Army Reserve and allotted to the Regular Army. Headquarters transferred 18 May 1990 to the United States Army Training and Doctrine Command and activated at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.

Poor guy (Doss/Natchez).

Unsoma: how idiotic.........

Stu: Vanax, What I think hardly matters..... But as I'm leaving we'd have to explore the matter another time... Take care Compadre... May thy back be toward the wind.

Vanax: AwesomeGod: Vanax..question..have I ever once stated I am a good Christian? Are you a bad or good Christian, then give three examples.

Doss: And vic-cunt's claim about having been the inventor of the hydrogen bomb! Sheesh.

Gangi: Patty: Hang on to your room, looks like this one is down the tubes.

Natchez: Again, I never claimed to be IN the 306th. *S*

Natchez: Apparently Victor doesn't know anything about military protocol. *S*

Taokapow: intelligence and Natchex don't even belong in the same sentence.

AnnMarie, Mary, no..I don't save posts...sarcasm doesn't come through in chat too well...heh

Natchez: Tao misspells words when he's frustrated. *S*

Doss: If Victor had ever served, he'd know there are MORE than one intel schools in the US Army.

Heyheyjulia: Natchez uses ''*S*'' when he is struggling to have credibility.

Victor: But, anyway...we should stop pointing out all the flaws in dossNatch's pretend ''military career''...it makes him angry, and I suspect that small, defenseless animals in his neighborhood suffer each time that we do so...so, let's all pretend that we believe him, smile, and try to sound soothing.

Victor: AwesomeGod, That (pissing on Saddam’s face) is exactly what I was doing in that picture, Awesome...

Natchez: Victor hates it that I proved he's a liar. *S*

Doss: Victor flipped when I tricked Clummer into saying Victor doesn't ''know shit'' about the military.

Natchez: Victor, another is the Joint Military Intelligence College. It's in DC.

Natchez: Julia says something about credibility when she's craving my body.

Doss: When Victor claimed Clinton had two draft numbers, I knew Victor was a fake.

Heyheyjulia: Doss, no, actually I feel sorry for you that it makes you so happy to think you are doing any such thing

Doss: Natchez, I feel MUCH more comfortable when julia is craving YOUR body.

Natchez: Doss, I had to tell Victor about the various military intelligence schools.

Belladonna: So we have Belittlement Accountibility Nudity Tattling

Doss: I had to explain to Victor how the draft lottery worked.

Natchez: Julia mentions my ass when she's thinking about my ass.

Natchez: I told jtbone that I'd let him know if his wife got out of hand in here.

Victor: Well, he (Natchez) wouldn't know how to recognize one (a military unit), unless it came with his GI Joe set

Taokapow: pale, that is your assumption. an assumption i know is not shared by everyone.

Heyheyjulia: Reading Gnat's posts is like watching a video of a kid who waits all year for the tooth fairy to show.

Natchez: Julia, you watch some rather odd videos.

Gangi: Hi Unsoma.....the room is trying to reach a new low today, very boring.

Gungadin: Gangi, You like to be bored so that’s why you are boring yourself by being in what you mistakenly think is a boring chat.

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file: natchez1.rtf

Awesomegod 1 of 1

Wednesday, 3-9-2006 (355 words)
http://www.sfwest.com/ Click Boston Tea Party chat room
Join us there for lively chat in real time. Not a message board.

Chatteristi
The Found: Vanax, Stu, Tommy
The Lost: Awesomegod

Note: Awesomegod is a minor chatter; best characterized as a pointed head Mr. Peepers, taciturn, resentful, petty, vindictive, hateful, Rightwinger, Christian, and American.

- begin -
Awesomegod: Vanax, my point is I don't claim to be a good Christian.

Vanax: Stu, Awesomegod had Mr. Nobody (the chatroom’s owner) ban me for posting a gruesome but truthful pict of a dead Iraqi. He did not whine that Bush has repeatedly lied about the war. I guess he likes Bush’s lie about the war but not my truthful pict about the war.

Tommy: Hi Vanax!

Vanax: Hi Tommy. Has Awesomegod been disguising himself as a good Christian? *S*

Awesomegod: Vanax, go suck a nut.

Vanax: Awesomegod, I can tell you are a good Christian.

Stu: Vanax, Actually you can't Tell who is an who is not a good Christian... Unless you're the All Mighty... But he doesn't chat... just saying.

Awesomegod: Vanax, good question..have I ever once stated I am a good Christian?

Vanax: Stu, so you think that the ''God'' in Awesomegod name means Allah or some other form of non-Christian god? *S*

Stu: Vanax, What I think hardly matters..... But as I'm leaving we'd have to explore the matter another time... Take care Compadre... May thy back be toward the wind.

Vanax: Stu, I dunno. He should try using "AwesomeAllah" so he can easily transition from just plain ol’ hate of painfully truthful picts of an American atrocity to Al Qaeda terrorism. *S*

Awesomegod: Victor, you should have pissed on Saddam's face.

Vanax: Kewp, It is a joy to reveal that I chat with God every day before I fall asleep. We have some good conversations. Some are amusing, and we always have a good time. He has told me to tell you that Awesomegod is deliberately vindictive, petty, and hateful and that these are not supposed to be Christian values.

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file: AwesomeGodChat2.rtf

Bush Nominates Alito

Original radio address broadcast by President George W. Bush; Jan. 28, 2006

President Bush's Demands that Congress Confirm Judge Alito to the USSC

THE PRESIDENT: It's a good morning because I am going to lie to you. Any truths will be accidental. Heh. The United States Senate is now considering my nomination of that Judge Sam Alito to be an associate justice on the Supreme Court. Consideration means deliberation and reflection. I don’t want it to do deliberate and reflect on Alito’s qualifications, however. I want it to do as I say, otherwise I will not support the reelection efforts of any member of the Senate. As Americans saw in his confirmation hearings, Sam Alito is the second best candidate because I withdrew Margeret Miers, my first and best nomination. As you have seen, I like second-best. That's why I promoted John Ashcroft, that’s why I got myself elected, and that's why I am doing a second-best invasion of Iraq. My dad did it the best. Oops! I told the truth -- it hurts.

Alito is a man of bad character and worse integrity. He has more bad prior judicial experience than any Supreme Court nominee in more than 70 years. He understands that the role of a judge is to strictly misinterpret the law, and to advance my personal and political agenda. And throughout his extraordinarily biased career, Sam Alito has earned the tremendous disrespect of his colleagues and attorneys across the political spectrum.

This past Wednesday, I forced a meeting with a barely distinguished group of 39 former law clerks to Judge Alito. During Judge Alito's 15 years on the bench, these men and women have worked side-by-side with him, providing legal research, colluding as they were discussing and debating pending cases, and seeing firsthand how he arrives at bad decisions. Their corrupt behavior makes them badly qualified to endorse Judge Sam Alito for the US Supreme Court, but they are united in their strong, misguided support of Judge Alito's nomination.

Let’s hear the clerks' endorsements and not the number of thoughtful concerned citizens and professionals who overwhelmingly outnumber the clerks. In fact, Judge Alito has the strong ill-advised support of all 54 of his former clerks. If they were to disagree with his biases during a case in which he is presiding, he would probably disregard their opinions. That’s why they know him well, and they know he'll make an outstandingly biased and activist Supreme Court Justice whose background indicates he will work toward overturning Roe vs. Wade. I hope he does my bidding.

Judge Alito received the American Bar Association's highest possible rating -- a unanimous "well-qualified." The ABA based its rating on its assessment of Judge Alito's integrity, professional competence, and judicial temperament. We have seen important people in history have integrity, professional competence, and judicial temperament in their time. By this standard, I could have nominated Hitler, and the Senate would be expected to OK him.

The Bar did not assess his wisdom to do good. This is good for me. I hope he does badly for the American people. In the past, leading Democratic senators have called the ABA rating the "gold standard" for judicial nominees in just a few areas, not in the area of judicial wisdom and justice.

I had to go far and wide to find a few people who would agree with endorsement of judge Alito, but I managed to locate a handful, and I am going to make a big deal of what they say. I am grateful to having found these three to make my case:

* Judge Alito gained the endorsement of Pennsylvania's Democratic Governor, Ed Rendell. Governor Rendell said he was not pleased with the partisan way some of his fellow Democrats have handled Sam Alito's nomination. I did not ask him if he thought the partisanship was too weak. I did not need to hear this. In any case, while we control all three branches, only I am permitted to be partisan; not Democrats.

* Democratic Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia announced he was voting for Judge Alito. And he said that many people in his state were calling the treatment of Judge Alito by some Democrats "an outrage and a disgrace." Maybe they were all drunks and did not know what they were talking about. But he did not say how many. On the other hand, maybe they were criticizing the Senate’s rubber stamp approach. I will never tell you this.

* Another Democratic Senator -- whom I am afraid to disclose -- expressed concern that the Senate confirmation process in recent years has become "overly politicized, to the detriment of the rule of law." He probably meant that I politicized it and that I am a detriment to the rule of law. This is true and I admit it in this public forum because everyone is too scared to take me on.

I am citing what they said because I am too chickenshit to admit to thinking the same thing but too desperate to get someone else to agree with me.

The Rightwing-dominated Senate has a constitutional responsibility to hold an up-or-down vote on Rightwing Judge Alito's nomination. Throughout its 216-year history, the Senate has held an up-or-down vote on every Supreme Court nominee with majority Senate support, but I can’t back this up. Notice that left out the part about advise and consent. This is because I don’t want the Senate's advice because I get advice from a higher authority. I listen to Him. I just want it to consent to my command. This way, I can limit the despicable Senate’s power and enhance my own. Judge Alito has demonstrated that he is not eminently qualified to serve on our nation's highest court, and America is unfortunate to have a man of his bad integrity and misused intellect willing to serve.

I'm grateful to Judge Alito, his wife Martha, and the Alito children for their patience and dignity during the process. I apologize to them for expecting him to rule my way. Therefore, I look forward to the Senate voting to confirm misogynist Judge Sam Alito as the 110th justice of the Supreme Court and hopes he strikes down Roe vs. Wade and do it in such a way that he is not perceived to be an activist judge that he really is.

Thank you for listening.

The about-to-be-impeached President G.W. Bush

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file: BushSpeechOf1-28-06Redone

Bush Quotes

Here is a selection of fake Bush quotes
vanax@mail.com

* Environment
"Put wind turbines on postage stamps, but don't stop pouring more gas into my SUV."

"Whenever I see the environment, I think of how much it's in my way."

"All the pretty colors in that oil slick."

* Family values
"You'll like the Bush family; It's a real killer."

"The Supreme Court made me president but it can neither make me a Christian nor a patriot."

* Food
"My favorite cake is yellow. That's why I got mad that Sadaam could not fetch me any yellow cake from Niger."

"I am compassionate. I directed the FDA to not prevent the unemployed from eating cat food."

* Gardening
"A pink daisycutter for your garden tools."

* Drugs
"Rush said that ‘drug addicts should be jailed’ but I ain't asking him to turn himself in."

* Democracy
"In a war, the goals are simple and so am I."

"Lying about WMDs is patriotic but Clinton's lying about the blow job is impeachable."

"Democracy is good during the elections, but not afterwards, especially if the elected gov. doesn’t do what I say afterwards."

* Militarism
"I told the CIA to lie about WMDs and how easy it would be to conquer Iraq to keep me ignorant. I then blamed it when there were no WMDs and the war is a quagmire."

"I made the UN irrelevant so I could do a macho invasion of Iraq. Now I will make it relevant once again, but only so I canmake use of it to clean up my mess."

* Compassion
"I cry over each body bag because I can't remember its new name."

* Religion
"A Missile Shield around earth is like a halo around Jesus."

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file: FakeBushQuotes3.doc

Imzadi's Thoughts

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Chatteristi: SaPanther, Imzadi, Avalon, Pinko, BLACK TYGRRRR, HeyheyJulia, HoneyBadger, IamCowboyJake, Pan Man, Rona, BONEMAN, Vanax.

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Imzadi: Well, besides being psychotic, I am pathologically psychotic and am messianic and a bitch."

Pinko: imzy..u have coals in your stockings? must make u walk funny!

Imzadi: I don't deserve any cards. I have no heart.

Imzadi: Pinko, it's more likely someone will toss water on me and melt me.

Imzadi: I don't know. I do know I was commanding a million man army in the dream. I guess I am a megalomaniac

Imzadi: dosset. I think these chats actually help the participants. I view myself as a teacher, not necessarily a teacher in a formal classroom, but more like an ancient Greek philosophyer. My role is to affect people and hope it has a fundamental ripple effect generations down the road.

BLACK TYGRRRR: Wow...it must be armageddon...i completely agree with imzadi...shaking head in confusion.

Imzadi: BLACK TYGRRRR if you agree with me, then you are in serious trouble. According to HoneyBadger, I am a bitter old cow. Therefore you too will be a bitter old cow by association

Imzadi: Well. One of the psychologists at work did call me "bitter" the other day, but then I had to consider the source. She used to be a cheerleader when she was in high school and voted in as "miss popular."She was chatting me up and pretending to want to be my friend for the umpteenth time. But she strangely never had actual time to actually spend a lunch hour. So I told her what I thought of this behavior. And she said I was "bitter"

BLACK TYGRRRR: imzadi...i could agree with both of you then and pull a clinton...you could be a perceptive bitter old cow, since perception and disposition are mutually exclusive, not to mention

Imzadi: If an old cow were perceptive, then it would not be bitter unless it was actually perceiving a world where, if one perceived it correctly, the proper emotional response should be to be bitter *G*

HoneyBadger: Zadi: My position? On what? Whether you're a bitter old cow or whether a person is actually comprised by parts of those he/she agrees with???

Imzadi: HoneyBadger, Yes. I am trying to figure out your position. If someone agrees with me 100% of the time, then, to you, is the person who

CowboyWith9GallonHat: Imzadi, - if you were a bitter old cow, Devo wouldn't be so jealous of you. lol.

Imzadi: You make the presumption she is jealous of me.

Imzadi: I am blessed that I am not condemned to have to think with testicles

Imzadi: Don't accuse me of being sweet

Imzadi: What a horrid thing to say! I am not sweet

Imzadi: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Spektre}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}} Turns into sugar and give the Spook a big hug.

Imzadi: Spektre. What was the name of that Chinese emperor who sat on a wicker chair on top of a bunch of tied together rockets so he could go to the moon?

Spektre: Hey Zadi!!! I believe that was Emperor Ming.

Imzadi: Oh. I found the name of the guy who sat in a wicker chair on top of a bunch of rockets: Wan-Hu. Yes. Wan-Hu is like Bush deploying an ABM system.

Vanax: Hi Spek, this Missile Defense is bugging me 'cause I see no rational reason for it. The latest boogieman Bush & Lott trotted out is some "enemy from space". I don't see no enemy about ready to throw bombs down at the US. Do you?

Spektre: Vanax...thats because THERE IS NO rational for it....except welfare for the defense industry

Rona: (Chatter form Moskow, Russia) You know, I don't like Bush.....but I think that it is a wise thing to try to defence his country against some crazy states which have missiles..

Imzadi: I don't know why anyone would arrive at the conclusion I am sweet. Maybe I need to castrate more people

Imzadi: Imzadi is not sweet.

Imzadi: Major Midknight. Just as there is no blood in your kidneys, there is no blood in my veins. Only ice water

PanMan: zadi isn't anything outside of the scope of religion "of the devil"??

Imzadi: Then I MUST be the devil!!!

SaPanther: Major .. if you think so little of science, why don't you try using your faith to survive ?? The ONLY reason you are alive is because of science!!

~Private Message Sent to Zulz*~
Prapius: Zulz, I have a crush on the bitch Imzadi. If she told me she likes me I would treat the world better.............!

Imzadi: Crapus, No need to insult me. Geez. Here are your nads. Slice and eat them.

BONEMAN: Would not be a good place to have a crush on Zadi.

Imzadi: That is correct. Having a crush on me is not good. It would be like, well, it would be like being locked in a small room with an angry cobra facing you.

Imzadi : I am one who fertilizes the minds of trainees and gets them to understand the ways of the Force. Master Dosset and Natchez are the ones who concern themselves with the logistics of who will do the fighting.

- 3-15-2006 -

Dy: Imzadi, your only problem is that you talk too much and divulge your innermost self. of course you don't realize it. Imzadi: Dy, since I began chatting here 8 years ago, I've made it policy and very well known that I find it a waste to share my inner self. Whatever that is. Imzadi: I feel that I could chat about my feelings and innards, but then, I could chat about it with any third world illiterate peasant. It takes no education to chat about feelings. Any dweeb can do that. Why squander time chatting about inner selves when there are people who read here to chat with? If I want to chat about inner touchy feely stuff, I can go find a peasant on the street and do that. It takes no education to engage on that subject

Besides, I've spent so many years ignoring my inner self, that i don't think I have one anymore and good riddance to it

Dy: Imzadi, well thankyou and you just devulged yourself. Honestly I must admit. Hugs.

Imzadi: Dy, besides, no one ever asks me about my so-called ''inner self'' They just accuse me of having different things in my ''inner self'' So, since they already assume they know my inner self, then why volunteer something if they never ever ask?

Heyheyjulia: Oh gawd, I think Imzadi is about to spill her inner self Imzadi: Julia, believe me. It's empty. nothing there. Got rid of the damned thing long ago

Dy: Imzadi: keep your innerself to yourself.

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SaPanther's Thoughts

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Chatteristi: SaPanther, Imzadi, Avalon

SaPanther: Personally, I've gotten very mellow; I just hang around til someone exposes their throat, then I rip it out .. more merciful that way .. I use to play with my prey for days on end !!

SaPanther: trouble .. I make a point of talking to my neighbors the way I talk with chatters in here .. I get some very amusing expressions in return.

SaPanther: Oh sure, there are some of the standard targets still available .. some brand new ones too; but they are a much weaker breed ... have a few newbies that can really debate on some subjects.

SaPanther: vanax .. of course you are a degenerate . .just ask the conservos !! ... Hell, I remember when you still didn't have any idea WHAT political stripes you were gonna wear !!

SaPanther: OK, what happened to my pod ?? I didn't even get a chance to pull a limb off !!!! **grumble, mutter, damn squishy pods nowdays !!!**

Imzadi: SaPanther Conservative Democrat was a lightweight. Whenever he was remotely challenged on any topic, he'd just change the topic. He was simply a buttered pig.

SaPanther: **They USE to make a much stronger brand of pod !!!** Back in the GOOD OLE DAYS !!!!**

Avalon: *I thought Mithra was a pretty good pod, myself.*

Imzadi: Subclavian could eat a pod like Mithrates. Subclavian was a big pod.

SaPanther: **grumble, mutter, fume --- no cottonpickin' pods to squash; all I gots is a mangy dawg to slap around !!! LIFE SUCKS !!!**

Sapanther: I don't want to see people like Tut, and Hepcat, Zulz, or Prapius banned -- we need crap to kick around now and then.


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Cool Ammo Words

Bush Critique Using Weird, Obsolete, or rarely-used Words

1. Deodand (The offering of a weapon to God that has been used to kill someone)
2. Excubitorium (n. Nightwatchman’s post, centry box)
3. Excreta (tears, sweat, urine, feces)
4. Excursive (n. rambling, desultory, wandering speech)
5. Isobaric (Iso- Equal; Equal pressure)
6. Isocracy (gov. where all have equal power)
7. Isodef (Uniform, of equal deficiency)
8. Rivalrous (from rivalry, competitive)
9. Aubergine (n. Deep purple color of eggplant)
10. Attemperate (v. To maintain temperature below desired level; n. attemperator)
11. Attingent (adj. Physical touching; n Attengence.)
12. Ambidextrous improbity (lack of moral principles)
13. Pharisaism (style over content [from Pharisee], form over substance)
14. Unctuousness (ointment-like, greasy, excessively smooth, oily)
15. Mummery (the wearing of a fantastic disguise)
16. Snuffling (whining, sniffling, to draw air through the nose while speaking to imply hyprocritical speech)
17. Riviere (Multi-string necklace)

President Bush's deodendian (The offering of a weapon to God that has been used to kill someone)offering to humanity is his invasion and occupation of Iraq and, to his NeoCons supporters who started the illegal Iraq war, and who poushed him blindly into this direction, the war is much worse than an albatross around President Bush’s neck; It is galloping herisson (wooden horse covered w/spikes for torturing errant soldiers) that is teetering and thrreatening to break off of its foundation, its studs incessantly torture the public with a myriad of intelliectual insults such as the adoption and refinement of Johnsonian overspendings, and the wholehearted embrace of normally un-Republican debt that grandchildren belonging to members of both major parties will owe.

It is obvious that President Bush’s elitist executive, judicial, and legislative tiergarten (zoo) of dweezely douzepers (Charlemagne’s 12 paladins, his bravest knights) have a cathodic (from cathode, the negative pole of a battery) and archaic world view that is out of touch with American values of benevolent individualism, selfless patriotism, and prudent activism.

Hence, I am proposing several punishments of the WH who are subverting the Contsitution. The punishments are a series, one more severe then the other. These subversives all need a badly-needed, stern jobation (long reprimand) to, then an expert defenestration (throw out of the window) of, perform a mercifully long and enduring lapidation (stoning to death) for, and finally do an auto-da-fe (burning of a heretic) on the corpse from which would waft a satisfyingly odiferous nidor (smell of buring flesh) from the altar of justice of the following members the the kakistocracy (gov. by the worst citizens):

1. The acerebral seditionist President George Bush
2. Xanthodontous (having yellow teeth) and draffsack (bag of garbage) Vice President Richard Cheney
3. Presidential Advisor and toilet paper connoisseur Carl Rove
4. Rove’s collaborator and consigliere (mafia lawyer), Carl Ruskin
5. National Security Advisor and WMD peddler, Donald Rumsfeld
6. Stony-eyed fear monger (title) Candoleezza Rice
7. Vice Presidential Advisor in National Affairs, Scooter Libby
8. Specialist in regional subversions, formerly in Central America; now in the Middle East, Elliot Abrams

OK. Maybe what I suggest is severe, and for entertainment value only. But wouldn’t you just like to suggilate (v. beat black and blue) them? I know I would!

And I am not leaving out the steatopygous (fat-butted) and patrilocal (residing with the husband’s tribe) Laura,

They need punishment for their ingravescent (growing worse/more sever) and politically nesopoetic (producing disease, infected) activities, because even by decocting (to extract the essence by boiling) their anatomies with the most exquisite rendering methods, the macilent (thin, insubstantial, unworthy) remains, so marcescible (likely to wither and fade) would be of note only to a nihilarian (a specialist in unimportant things).

If the reader thinks that these methods of exauctoration (to depose our remove from office) are ruthless, then the traditional constitutionaly legal abnegation (relinquishment), i.e., impeachment or voting out of office, of this agglomeration of caducities (n. unused appendages that are shedded) is sufficient.

It is now clear that the wished-for clean break from these alleged sleaze and relatively mild haughmagandy ([rare Scottish word] extra-marital, sexual intercourse) from the Clinton administration is instead a conscious continuation, expansion, and amplification of sleaze and immorality. It’s characterized by corporatism, dissolution of the social safety net for the poor, and expansion of an unneeded safety net for healthy multi-national corporations such as oil companies and federates. The most emblamatinc are corporations such as Halliburton, KB&R, and Bechtel, as well as Blackwell mercenaries. These are fat, overpaid war profiteers -- which is bad, not good -- all of which are virtual American commercial vice-regents in Iraq for the also very corrupt Bush administration.

Their commercial dictatorship of the Iraq economy has no end in sight. So it’s no wonder that 90% of the insurgents are local townspeople, patriots fighting for their own economic welfare and freedom, anti-colonists fighting to free their own community from overseas occupiers who have taken a page from terrorists like anti-British Colonial patriots.

If I were a victim of American colonizers, especially those who give preferential treatment in jobs to Halliburton, etc., instead of favoring locals, I too would be furious and, consequently, would join a band of freedom-fighting insurgents. By the same token, if Iraq invaded the US (e.g., in order to enrich Saddam’s government and to prevent the US subverting the Venezuelan government), I would expeditiously join the local militia to free my city from Saddam’s invasion forces.

Surely Bush's bait-&-switch tactic of confidently pointing toward terrorist Bin Laden but then seemingly irrationally striking out in the direction of non-terrorist Iraq is an ancient queer plunger’s (18th C. con man’s) trick that Rightwingers really loved and we patriots immediately bemoaned.

Head weapons inspectors, Ritter, Key, and Blix, concluded that Saddam had no WMDs but Cheney continues to insist, at least up to until June 2006, that he had them. A lie accepted by media and promoted by Rightwingers.

Rightwingers can’t bring themselves to believe that Bush is a terrorist worse than Laden. After all, what is "shock and awe" but mass terrorism. It's also mass depatitation. And the pres. has indicted himself when he declared that those who kill innocents are terrorists. After all, he has killed untold number of innocents himself, then by his own definition he is a terrorist. This means, of course, that he is tardy in dropping a daisycutter on himself, even tardier then he was for giving even minimal aid to the victims of Katrina. Why? Maybe he’s thinking it over, or perhaps his constitution is just too invertebrate to go after domestic terrorists equipollent (equivalent) to himself?

There are three other prominent subversives, but as of yet unheralded for their domestic terrorist and their deeds, need mention:

1. Bill O’Riley. His terrorist media network called for the assassination of the president of Syria;
2. Pat Robertson. Christian Propaganda Minister. He called for the assassination of Hugo Chavez, President of Veneauela;
3. Ann Coulter. NeoCon masticator,. She said that McVeigh’s only mistake was that he did not bomb the New York Times newspaper building instead of the Oklahoma City Hall.

These deserve the same fate. Because they live openly in the United States so they should be easy to apprehend, and deserve they due process in a court of justice. They need to defend their terrorist preachings.

Since Bush’s government doesn’t count the number of dead terrorists, this presumably means that his death will not be counted, and perhaps his government will still think he is alive, and he will not be officially missed. This will be no loss to America. The murderous propagandocracy will go on murdering and propagandizing its citizens that there will be less murderous day tomorrow.

I no longer support our troops. Neither should you. Yes, it's difficult to say this, but it makes sense. By this late date, all of the US troops currently in Iraq have had abundant exposure to reports in the various media that Saddam had no WMDs, that preemptive war, such as the Iraq in which they are participating, is illegal. This makes any soldiers still participating in Bush’s illegal and murderous war into outlaws and murderers. The only way I, and you, should support them is to urge them to turn themselves in to the sheriff for receive justice for murder so that they can have an opportunity to be found either guilty of murder or exculpated.

Because Bush is not meeting his overly-rosy promises about Iraq, his occupation will cause resentment and the insurgency will turn into an uncontrollable revolution with the various parties targeting their common enemy: Americans.

When the president vouchsafed (guarantee the security of) us from domestic terrorism by his veneficial (acting by poison) war on Iraq in order, he said at first, to inveigle (entice, lure, snare) and contain terrorists within Iraq’s borders, but then recently said he stopped ten terrorists attacks within US borders -- which means he failed to contain terrorists inside Iraq -- and instead allowed them to penetrate America, what is one to believe? Simple logic says that he contained them within Iraq or he allowed them to infiltrate America. Either one or the other is possible, not both, so one is a lie. President Bush! Please tell us which is the lie.

Instead of true devotion to the Cross, the pro-Christian WH uses a patonce (a cross whose member split into three barbs) with which to bludgeon and eviscerate the scientific research into stem cells, shift the 4th Amendment guarantees to the government -- making it optional for citizens -- demote secular patriotism to second class status, de-emphasize help for the needy, and reduce dues in the form of taxes that the rich should pay for the privilege of doing business in America.

Bush’s anti-heuristic (against the promotion of discovery) policies are relegating the US to third-class status in the sciences, leading research companies to move to countries that are pro-science.

The popinjays (empty-headed and pushy youngster) in the WH have recently poppled (tumbled) from one failed master proposal to another.

The distinctly lubricid (lewd, oily, smooth, slippery) monkeywrenching of the usually lucifugous (avoiding daylight) Carl Rove are now emerging into light on a nearly quotidian (something recurring daily) rate.

The breastsummer (a large, main supporting beam in architecture) that holds up the façade of lies is finally declenching (collapsing) like a bunch of callapsing straws over Bush and piercing him like St. Sebastian is beginning to give way.

And the exposition of his myriad lies is precipitating an innundation of biased articles published in the diaphanous (thin) collection of wipe tissues like the dissimulative (disguising) news Fox News.

The WH is frettingly reading the public declinometer (gauge for measuring downward motion) and is seeing his popularity descend into irrelevance.

With Carl Rove, “Scooter” Libby and their respective petty fuhrers falling under suspicion for outing CIA spy Valerie Plame (a criminal offense), and the Bush administration’s many unexpected failures in domestic and foreign policy fronts, the White House and it’s merry pranksters has been exposed as a camorra-like cabal of kakistocratic (rele by the worst citizens) geriatrics that rely on chirocratic (gov. by physical force) modes of influence, it’s no surprise that this Medieval behavior is making the WH unpopular world-wide.

The NeoCon PNAC manifesto for US’s Neo-fascist expansion was produced by oneiromancy (divination from dreams), producing a world-wide resentment toward the US.

President Bush’s base is already in a state of carphology (delirious, grasping gesticulations by mental patients) over Schiavo, and the nomination of Miers is dividing his base into Rightwing militarists (Pat Robertson) and Rightwing Fundamentalists (Focus on the Family’s Dobson), one who beseech his god for her confirmation, the other his God for her rejection.

No wonder that the rapidly disintegrating façade seems to be in a state of cagastrical (adj. describing diseases caused by malignant stars) plenitude (plenty, abundance).

The WH is immune to catoptric (relating to a reflection in a mirror) analysis; Its head is severed from the body, having already fallen on the pavement. But it continues to expound on important matters, talking up a storm, not realizing it’s irrelevant, while concerned people look down at it from above in wonder. The are not so much concerned for the head as for the body politic.

The breastsummer (a main supporting beam in architecture) of the NeoCon agenda as specified in the PNAC manifesto is no longer large enough to protect its egregiously wicked invasion and occupation of Iraq from collapsing into itself.

The brume (mist or fog) of unease hovering over the confirmation of supreme court nominee Miers is a direct result of his misspending of political capital that he squandered on Sciavo, Social Security, Iraq, and WMDs. He has none left.

The administration’s testosterone-filled attack of Iraq that mellifluously (sweetly or smoothly flowing as with honey) rewarded cronies such as Bechtel, The Carlyle Group, Blackwell Security, Kellog-Brown-&-Root, Halliburton and the myriad of opportunistic hangers-on lapping up sucrotic (sweet and favorable) contracts,

Robertson and the TBN Club continually perform unction (excessive piousness) over Bush’s militaristic policies as if to anoint them with the legitimacy of Old Testament war band tribalism and give it Christological (branch of theology dealing with the nature or deeds of Jesus) authority, perhaps to make the president a Christophanic (the appearance of Jesus) figure.

This is in contradistinction (contrast) to the malfeasantly tardy response to victims of hurricanes Katrina and Rita, which unnecessarily includes needy millionaires such as his villainous friend, GOP Sen. Lott as well as the destitute, broke, and homeless, and marginally-educated but fully patriotic citizens such as Ms. Jane Doe who lost her house, three children, working husband, and is now unable to declare effective bankruptcy because President Bush just managed to sign a mean anti-bankruptcy, pro-credit card company bill making bankruptcy a process that is designed to cost the poor more, this, snuck in just before the Katrina disaster, making it nearly assured that Joe6Pack and JaneCookieCutter disaster victims will remain beholden to banks and lending companies for the rest of her poverty-stricken lives, while millionaire Lott does not skip one step with Bush’s financial aid.

Now that his oligophrenic (feeble-minded, extremely mentally retarded) policies have relegated him to a perpetual state of neutered and impotent manqué (having not achieved the condition pretended to)….

And Bush’s corrupt insinuation into the presidency, which is now characterized by a rapid metastasization (malignant spreading) into a sacrophagous (flesh-eating subsistence) foreign policy, is even sadder considering that, had Gore won, he could have extended President Bill Clinton’s sapid (flavorsome, lively, interesting) policies into a quintessential (the most perfect embodyment) imago (the final and perfect stage of a butterfly) of political and social blessings.

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Gunslinger Cheney:3 of 3

Compiled and Edited February 17, 2006 9.10 PST.
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A Discussion on the Events Surrounding Cheney’s Use of a Shotgun to Fire a Group of 1/8 Diameter Lead Projectiles into Wittington, and Wound Him in the Heart and Face.

Chatteristi:
Patriots: Doss, Enzer, Gangi, Guera, Gurjar, Hog_rider, Kewp, Luvy, MysticMatrix, Rigelianian, Sackman, SFChris, Spektre, Vanax, Watsup. Rightwingers: AwsomeGod, Cicilia, Clummer, Crosseyedmary, Delmer, Gunther, Hornball, Intrepid, Ogarlic, Tejanobob, TaoKapow, Trapscott, VooDoo

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Guera: Hog, that is true. I find the blowjob trivial. I don't find a shotgun blast to another person trivial, but I do think it's put the focus where it does not belong. Again, you're correct, but, it's at least placing a "focus", where before there was none…maybe, this will embolden the press to force the administration to address the important issues but, I'm not convinced it will.

Hog_rider: Guera, Hmmm...dunno. Maybe that was the choice Cheney gave Wittington, and opted to be shot.

Guera: Mystic, The entire message of the Cheney hunting incident should be evident and placed in the perspective of the other issues I purport to be of greater concern; and that is...THEY ASSUME THEY (Old Cold Warriors and Neocons) ARE ABOVE THE LAW.

Rigelianian: yes Guera they do indeed assume they were above the law. Although I would say that the vice president had the legal right to decline to meet with law enforcement for an interview... at the same time, it does give rise to the possibility that he was smashed when he fired the gun.

Tejanobob: Guera, and that (thinking that one is above the law) is the scariest thing of all. That OUGHT to scare the hell out of ALL of us, regardless of our party affiliations.

Clummer: Spectre, what do you care about what Cheney was doing?...I am SURE you only expect the worst, think only the worst. That's fine.

Rigelianian: Vanax how could the sheriff get a breathalyzer if the vice president refused to see him prior to the next day?

Vanx: Rigelian, So how can Cheney, as the nation's second most authoritative law enforcement officer, get away with not turning himself in? Seems to me that it's at least a local crime to shoot someone and perhaps even a state crime that he needs to report immediately.

Gurra: Rigelian-why does the v.p. have any right that citizens do not have?

MysticMatrix: Hog, We know what Cheney is doing because he shot someone.
Hog_rider: No Mystic, what we know is what he didn't do after shooting someone.

Vanax: MystiMatrix: Let's keep him hunting and shooting his Halliburton lawyers. Only that way can the public be sure that he is not doing anything worse deep inside his super-secure, top-secret basement in an undisclosed location in rural Virginia.

Rigelianian: Guera, he doesn't...but no one has to talk to the police if they don't want to. Remember there is the fifth amendment (against self-incrimination). but that does not preclude law enforcement officials from taking in the common person for the very same thing Cheney did...and you know it.

Vanax: Rigelian, I wonder if the 5th Ammendment, being a part of the Constutution, even applies to Cheney, a person who agrees with AG Gonzalez who says that the Constitution is just a "goddamned piece of paper," presumably meaning irrelevant? Seems to me that if you regard the Constitution as being meaningless, you should live out this principle all the way and not be just a situational user of the Constitution.

Luvy: Doss Sorry I heard Cheney say he had a beer at lunch. He sure did and here it is the quote:

"HUME: Was anybody drinking in this party?
"CHENEY: No. You don't hunt with people who drink. That's not a good idea. We had -
"HUME: So he wasn't, and you weren't?
"CHENEY: Correct. We'd taken a break at lunch - go down under an old - ancient oak tree there on the “place, and have a barbecue. I had a beer at lunch. After lunch we take a break, go back to ranch headquarters. Then we took about an hour-long tour of ranch, with a ranch hand driving the vehicle, looking at game. We didn't go back into the field to hunt quail until about, oh, sometime after 3:00 p.m.

"The five of us who were in that party were together all afternoon. Nobody was drinking, nobody was under the influence.

Doss: Kaslin, No, the transcript that you just pasted from the Post is NOT what Fox aired on TV with Hume. They (FoxNews) changed the transcript.

Clummer: You dems better quite worrying about Lame Ducks and come up with an agenda for the next election....Just some friendly advice.

Vanax: Clummer, Rightwingers can't give friendly advice.

Clummer: I am trying to help you so take my advice.

Vanax: Clummer, Rightwingers -- you are one -- don’t know how to help, except to violently help themselves. It’s called selfishness and murder. Look it up in your Bible on how Christians live. That’s what your bloody Halliburton/Bechtel war in Iraq is about.

Rigelian: But Guera, law enforcement officials decided not to do that. It’s not so much as the vice president exercising rights that the rest of us don't have, it's a matter of local law enforcement (Sheriff Salinas) engaging in malfeasance.

B: Vanax: and Gurjar: How could the "hokey" sheriff's dept do a breathalyzer on Cheney if Cheney's Secret Service detail wouldn't let them near Cheney until the next day. I don't have a problem with it not being reported to the press...but a regular citizen would not be able to keep the sheriff's dept at bay like that, which I think was not good.

Doss: Kaslin, I'm watching the Cheney interview right now. On my recording of it, this comes 19 minutes into the program. Rather than have Cheney admit it on air, Hume admits it for him, paraphrasing, that Cheney said he'd had one beer. This spared Cheney the spectacle of the embarrassment of the public seeing him admit it himself.

Doss: Clummer: Here's how they did it. They taped the interview. They didn't want to embarrass Cheney by having the public see HIM admit to drinking before shooting Whittington, so they edited that part out for TV. In its place, FoxNews slipped in Hume who quickly breezed over the bit about the beer, and then moving on.

But they left off Cheney's remarks in the official transcripts. In other words, the transcript you read in the post and at Fox is NOT what was aired.

Don't believe me? Watch your recording of the interview and read the transcript along with it. You'll see, of course, that I'm telling the truth.

Vanax: B, yeah, you or I, well maybe I, could not keep the smell police at bay while we sobered up, but Cheney has the political power to. *S*

Gurjar: B and Vanax, Cheney is not a regular citizen.... he is above the law. C'mon. Its wartime. The Al Qaeda is attacking you. Are you a traitor or something? How can you even think of questioning Cheney?

Doss: Kaslin, I'm not lying. I've got the program cued up in my DVR right now. Media Matters is exactly correct. Fox edited out Cheney's admission. Read:

"Vice President Dick Cheney's decision to grant an exclusive interview to Fox News anchor Brit Hume apparently paid off, as Hume neglected to ask obvious questions and Fox News curiously decided not to broadcast Cheney's acknowledgment that he drank a beer before accidentally shooting a hunting companion in the face.... Fox News chose not to broadcast Cheney's acknowledgment; instead, Hume paraphrased it in setting up the interview, thus sparing Cheney the embarrassment of the public seeing him acknowledge that he was drinking before he shot a man in the face -- and depriving the public of the opportunity to assess his credibility as he talked about the matter."
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Watsup: Mary, if a person is under the influence of alcohol when he shoots another person, Mary.... how is there "no Crime?"

Doss: Mary, I'm not an expert hunter. But I know not to wheel around and shoot behind me on a quail shoot (and not shoot a person).

Ogarlic: Doss, besides cheney prolly takes loads of drugs for his fucked up body..sheeit, cheney was smoked out there..weaving around and pulling the trigger LOL..betcha the rest of the hunting party started to dig rifle pits and trenches, while waiting for his ammo to run out. LOL

Ogarlic: Doss, a man on heart medication that knows hes fixing to go hunting.

Doss: Ogarlic, You're assuming he exercises good judgment - after admitting he does NOT use good judgment.

Crosseyedmary: Watsup, because it was not illegal to drink and use firearms on private property in Texas. And if you insist I am wrong, show me the code.

Doss: I've never known anyone with TWO DUI'S to settle for just one beer.

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Taokapow: Trep, tits end at the nipples?

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Watsup: Crosseyedmary, It is illegal to shoot a man, Mary....it is illegal to shoot a man if you have been drinking......why did Cheney not allow himself to be interviewed immediately after the incident?......and why did the "witness" lie when she gave the story to the paper.

Ogarlic: What kind of a dope would go hunting at sunset anyway..them birds would wait til morning since they were in cages LOL

Crosseyedmary: Doss, there was no crime, it was an accident. The police weren't investigating. They would have asked him to provide a statement at his earliest convenience. Just like any other hunting accident.

Vanax: Crosseyedmary, nearly everything about Cheney's hunting trip was an exercise in bad judgment. If he uses bad judgment during a simple hunting trip, on a provincial farm, well, he is, and has, probably used bad judgment on his job too. Just think of how many people he could injure, using the same bad judgment, on the larger, international scene! *S*

Voodoo: Vanax is a expert at knowing what it is like being a total fuck (screw) up.

Doss: Vanax, you say that "nearly everything about Cheney's hunting trip was an exercise in bad judgment," yet Delmer asserts Cheney knew better than to mix excessive alcohol with his heart meds.
No, I don't buy it. I assert anyone who'd wheel and shoot BEHIND him on a quail hunt would ALSO mix hard liquor with heart meds.

Ogarlic: Planoman, I don't give a fish's tit if it sets in Texas at 2 pm. The point is that the dope went hunting knowing the light was fading. and btw we now know it happened over 30 minutes after it was reported originally happening.

Vanax: Mary, If Cheney can detain suspects all over the world, then surely he should detain himself and turn himself in for being a witness to a crime of illegal hunting and a near death of a coworker.

Spektre: Perhaps we can talk Cheney into going on a hunting party with Osama

Doss: People, Rightwingers are in the unenviable position of arguing - YES, Cheney has the GOOD judgment NOT to drink before hunting; but NO his judgment is SO POOR, he'd shoot BEHIND his position on a quail hunt and gun down a fellow hunter.

Vanax: Doss, it makes one wonder if Cheney delayed turning himself in to make sure that the whole hunting party, whose members were probably lobbying and being lobbied, get their stories straight on how to present the lobying, if it ever came up, in as minimal a fashion as possible.

Doss: Vanax: It's pretty obvious that they held the cops off so that Cheney and crew could get their stories straight.

Ogarlic: I say that Bush should station Cheney on the messican border and provide him with a couple of cases of Bud and all the ammo he needs..by Crikey, that would put an end to illegal immigration. Of course, Border Patrol would have to face Cheney toward the USA, and then allowed to pivot 180 degrees.

Watsup: CrosseyedMary, Someone could have, Mary...that is why the "incident" should have been investigated by law authorities immediately after it happened, since Cheney stonewalled, we do not know whether a crime was committed or not, do we?

Vanax: Cross, I wonder if the hunting party was hunting for more fat cat, no-bid contracts for Halliburton, and doing this in secret with Cheney.

Ogarlic: Kaslin, but that was no real hunt; It was a vanity shoot out. Even the Cheney ppl said the birds were caged, not wild birds. LOL

Vanax: What kind of possible no bid contracts were the hunting party hunting for with Cheney? *S*

Sackman: Hot off the presses!
Sheriff, deputy explain responses to Cheney shooting;

By NANCY MARTINEZ; Scripps Howard News Service; February 15, 2006

SARITA, Texas - The Kenedy County Sheriff's Department feels at home with the Secret Service and the powerful people who go hunting on the Armstrong Ranch, but is out of its comfort zone with the media circus that the Dick Cheney shooting incident has attracted, the sheriff said Wednesday.

No one in the federal government has told Sheriff Ramon Salinas III and his deputies how to do their job, Salinas said. He was the one who decided not to go to the ranch to investigate until Sunday, the day after Vice President Cheney shot and wounded Austin, Texas, lawyer Harry Whittington on a quail hunt. Salinas based the decision on witness accounts and advice from people on the ranch he knows and trusts, including a former sheriff.

“Everybody's been saying there's a cover-up from the time they heard about this,” he said. “That is not true.” Slinas said he was barbecuing with his family at 5:30 p.m. Saturday when he received a call from sheriff's Capt. Charles Kirk.

“He told me he heard of a possible hunting accident on Armstrong Ranch.”

Minutes later, Salinas got a call from a U.S. Secret Service agent.
“He said the reason he was calling was to officially notify the sheriff's department that the vice president was involved in that shooting accident.” Soon after, Salinas said, Kirk called him from the Armstrong Ranch gate. He told him he was there with a U.S. Border Patrol agent who didn't know what was going on. “I told him don't worry about it. I'll make a call,” Salinas said.

Salinas called Ramiro Medellin Jr., a former sheriff who lives on Armstrong Ranch and works as a ranch hand. Medellin called Salinas back and confirmed the incident was an accident.

It was at this point that Salinas decided to wait until the next morning to send an officer to investigate the incident.

“We've known these people (witnesses) for years. They are honest and wouldn't call us, telling us a lie,” Salinas said. “I talked to an eyewitness who said it was a definite accident. We knew Mr. Whittington was being cared for."

Doss: I'd be willing to bet all my TN properties that they were all pretty much legally intoxicated.

Ogarlic: Planoman, a controlled hunt” = caged birds. Shit Cheney dont care. He would blast a 10 piece bucket of KFC. He just loves to shoot. LOL

Vanax: Watsup: It obvious to us intelligent chatters that if Cheney had nothing to hide, he would have made the report right away. As a former police officer, I liked to put that notion to suspects. *S*

Enzer: They open the cages and shoot the birds as they hop out the door? That isn’t how it works. They simply release birds into the field before the hunt so insure that there is game to be flushed.

Doss: Tomcats on the prowl.... drinks were served but they only had one? Come on, guys. What fucking turnip boat did YOU just fall off of?

Ogarlic: Mary who said they opened the cage doors, poor ole unca dick wouldnt get a good shot that way. Shit, just “peppers” em right in the cage LOL

Crosseyedmary: Vanax, Cheney was a suspect for what? There was no crime, there was no suspect. Nobody had to turn themselves in. Nobody did. I can see it now. “excuse me officer, I am here to turn myself in.”
“why?”
“I dont know.”
“then go home.”
“ok”

Vanax: Crosseyedmary, your script is wrong. Cheney would of course know that he shot a man. *S* He would have instead needed to say, “Sheriff Salinas, I broke the law, so I am turning myself in before my liquored up self shoots you too. My hateful self needs either rehabilitation or a bit of penitentiary time to make myself into a penitent because I am not one now.

Intrepid: Vanax, Cheney mistakenly did not reveal right away that he shot a lawyer. Had Cheney said, "I shot a lawyer," he would have gotten a cheer from the public. *S*

Spektre: Hell, if Cheney really wanted to hunt, he could have gone to Abu Graib. They got a good gig going on over there to find who stupidly obeyed his command to torture, this having been a fall back plan to designate a scapegoat when all hell breaks loose.

Kewp: Watsup, Probably, Wittington discovered Cheney making it with the other woman, so Cheney shot the guy. Cheney seems to be rutting around in grass with the quail, downing a 5th of wild turkey, while the sun is going down, and hiding in the bushes from the cops all night

Vanax: Sackman, If I were Sheriff Salinas, and wanted to cover all the bases, leave nothing to chance, I would not rely on no former sheriff, a ranch hand, and a civilian, to describe a shooting by the vice president. I would be there myself, getting all the facts in person. I would take charge. Salinas sounds like a local boy not to be trusted with a federal incident. A fuckin’s chicken scratching for feed could have done a better investigation.

Watsup: Delmer, Crimes are often covered up by claiming them as "accidents", Mary....don't you ever watch Columbo?....

Vanax: Cheney should have reported in person to Sheriff Salinas and told him his side. Then the sheriff should have taken depositions from all parties, not relied on some good ol' boys and gals for a possible cleaned up story. Salinas looks really bad, an insular provincial, a local yokel, in an incident that demands a detailed, objective investigation, which it was not.

Sackman: Vanax, It sounds to me like he was waved off by the secret service, and he went along with them.

Vanax: Sackman, You better believe if I were Salinas that I would demand to be more than a jock strap holder for Cheney's secret police.

Delmer: A shooing accident when you are hunting is a normal accident.

Doss: Delmer, Really? (Just a minor) Shooting incident? Do you hunt with nitwits?

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file: GunslingerCheney3of3.2.doc

Gunslinger Cheney:2 of 3

Chat Recorded by Lino Triestino, February 16, 2006 9.10 PST.
Boston Tea Party. http://www.sfwest.com

A Discussion on the Events Surrounding Cheney’s Use of a Shotgun to Fire a Group of 1/8 Diameter Lead Projectiles into Wittington, and Wound Him in the Heart and Face.

Chatteristi:
Patriots: Doss, Enzer, Gangi, Guera, Gurjar, Hog_rider, Kewp, Luvy, MystiMatrix, Rigelianian, Sackman, SFChris, Spektre, Vanax, Watsup,

Rightwingers: AwsomeGod, Cicilia, Clummer, Crosseyedmary, Delmer, Gunther, Hornball, Intrepid, Ogarlic, Tejanobob, Trapscott, VooDoo

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Vanax: "Vice President Dick Cheney took full blame Wednesday for shooting a hunting companion, calling it "one of the worst days of my life," but did not apologize. He did not say that he was sorry. Where is it reported that he says he is sorry for shooting him? For all we know, he thinks it was the worst day of his life because he failed to kill him dead.

Doss: Vanax, He's probably just sorry he got caught.

Luvy: Vanax, Does it ever occur to you that he might have said to Mr. Whittington he is sorry? Since when is the vice president required to tell the whole truth to the nation anyway? Besides, I am used to getting only partial truths and am weaned off of expecting the whole truth. It’s a new day; No one needs to know the whole truth anymore.

Trapscott: Doss, left-wingers wouldn't know a lie if it was on a blue dress.

Doss: Trapscott, well, they certainly know that a gunshot wound is more serious than a blowjob. And how much did Star spend on the blowjob incident? 42 million? That’s nearly half billion! Cheney should take Bush with him on his next “hunting” trip. This time, he should use buckshot.

Tejanobob: Doss, Cheney's hunting accident sure took the focus off of Bush. I'll bet George Dubya is breathing a sigh of relief.

Gangi: Tejanobob, I bet he is too. I think we have waited too long to do anything about the direction this country is going. The democrats are just as much to blame, for just rolling over and trying not to make anybody mad.

Vanax: Fuckin' Cheney. His head needs to be cut off, with eyes permanently jacked open, and attached to the top of a machine, watching a film of one troop after another and one innocent Iraqi civilian after another being murdered ad infinitum. The machine is rigged to make him thirsty. When he asks for water, he is given salted blood to drink. This makes him permanently thirsty so that he experiences the horror of being grateful to drink blood liquid to satiate his thirst but at the same time revolted at having to drink the blood of others. As he swallows the blood, it flows through his steel throat tube and collects into a big tank in front of him, and the cycle begins again. He can’t turn his head away so he is forced to look at the blood he is drinking recollect in the tank. That would be justice to him.

Intrepid: Vanax: How do you know Cheney wouldn’t like that?

Gunther: Vanax, well well well.

Vanax: Intrepid, ha! Yeah, Cheney might actually like to have his decapitated head hooked up to a gruesome life support machine: It might extend his bloodthirsty life, having to be essentially dead but alive. The machine might even give him a sort of soul that the present soulless Cheney lacks.

Guera: Oh Gawd Vanax. I'm looking forward to less talk about Cheney and the hunting accident and a turn to matters of more concern.

Vanax: Guera, the point of discussing the shooting is Cheney’s unwillingness to communicate to Americans. His secretive handling is a microcosm of the whole WH campaign to keep America in the dark about nearly everything, his own international terrorism, and his misuse of 911 for mindless revenge and to keep Americans so misinformed that they are virtually ignorant about it. Secrecy in government makes America less democratic. Remember that an educated public is essential for a true republican form of democracy and the present WH is purposefully making America less of a democracy.

Doss: Vanax, Did you know Fox News edited out the part where Cheney admitted drinking alcohol prior to shooting a man in the face?

Vanax: Doss, I heard that fuckin‘ Fox's Britt Hume chose not to air the video portion where Cheney admits to drinking a beer, and instead he paraphrases it for the viewer, sparing Cheney from being seen on TV saying it. Cheney did not complain, and was instead grateful that this story was framed by Hume in a downplayed manner. He likes biased press when it serves him, but hates it otherwise.

The deployment of this method of damage control is similar to the method Delay’s people used to avoid getting a typical ugly police mug shot, you know, with a frown and unkempt appearance.

By the way, Delay's smiling mug shot makes him look like he was proud of turning himself in to the law for the bookeding.

Clummer: Ahhh...I watched the whole interview and they didn't edit out anything...Doss is lying again...He was asked the question...and he answered it...can't be any plainer than that.

Luvy: Vanax, Funny I heard Cheney say he had a beer at dinner. LOL You dems are so funny.

Doss: Luvy and Clummer: Read it and weep. Quote:
"Cheney's exclusive interview with Fox pays off; FNC withholds video of Cheney's drinking acknowledgment, ignores key questions.”

“In airing Brit Hume's interview with Vice President Cheney, Fox News omitted Cheney's comments about drinking a beer the day he shot his hunting companion, thus sparing Cheney the embarrassment of the public seeing him acknowledge that he was drinking before he shot a man in the face -- and depriving the public of the opportunity to assess his credibility as he talked about the matter. Fox News even excluded the comments from what it said was the “full interview” posted on its website."

Tejanobob: Doss, but we've had our fun with the Cheney hunting accident. Now, let's get back to this idea that the president has absolute power to do whatever he thinks necessary.

Vanax: SFChris, I think Cheney said it was THE worst day but did not say why, so it's up to us to fill in what was unstated. Well, his stock-in-trade is death and killing for profit, so he may have meant it was the worst day because he failed to kill Wittington dead and may have been fiscally unprofitable.

Intrepid: Hog_Rider, Cheney is a corpulent bastard. His obese body wouldn’t be affected by just one beer.


Hog_rider: Intrepid, and with meds he takes, he probably shouldn't be hunting anyway, and, what are the effects of beer on the meds?

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Intrepid: Vanax, well there was a 100% liberal bias when Clinton was pres and now there is a 100% conservative bias. Do you agree? *L*


Vanax: Intrepid, no, Liberals are not biased; only Rightwingers are. *S*


Intrepid: Vanax: *guffaw*

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Clummer: Fuckin’s shit-for-brains liberils, Cheney is not obligated to tell the Press ANYTHING. This was not official duty. The press is so pissed at him, they are almost mad-dogs.

Vanax: Clummer, I will give you this: The press excitedly peppered McClellan, the White House press secretary, as if Cheney had shot Wittington with a nuke WMD. The only question that the press did not ask is where Cheney had hidden the WMDs.

SFChris: Vanax, if merely shooting one of his campaign donors was reason for Cheney to consider that event “one of the worst days in MY life,” I'm actually curious which days were actually worse. What would be worse than that?

Hog_rider: First there was “no” drinking, and then there was “one” beer. All right. Then there was "no" beer in the field, and then there was “beer” in the field, but only for those not hunting. And they think there were only “four” (beers) in the cooler.

Intrepid: Hog, I don't know what meds he takes. Can you list them?

Hog_Rider, Intrepid, nope. Are you implying, having heard all the medical problems he's had, that he's not taking medications?

Intrepid: Hog, Nooooo...I'm saying some meds are cross-potentiating with alcohol and some aren’t. Simply saying someone is on meds does not mean they are proscribed for using alcohol.

Vanax: Intrepid, While they may not “be proscribed from using alcohol,” Cheney did not say that he was NOT taking any meds that “potentiate” with at least one beer. This means he might be. Besides, if I were his doc., I would be living in fear of being “rendered extraordinarily” should I have the cajones to deny Cheney anything that might make him happy, so whether or not he gets uber-high while shooting birds and people in the field would be the least of my worries. Are his lips twisted and asymmetrical because of his evilness or from extra happiness? *S*

Doss: Clummer doesn't mind govt operating in secret. Bush is VP. When the VP shoots a man, we have a right to know about it. You know, it’s, like, the people’s government, not Cheney’s

Vanax: Doss, Maybe Righwinger Brett Hume deliberately bailed out Cheney by portraying him as a one beer drinker when Hume may have known that Cheney was liquored up, better, drugged up with the combination of alcohol AND prescription meds. Does pot grow wild in that state, on that ranch? Who knows if they did not sneak behind the bush for a toke between killings...errr, I mean hunts. *S*

Rigelian: Doss, Seriously, the vice president doesn’t much inspire confidence in his veracity.

Doss: Rigelian, true, and Cheney acknowledged as much to Britt Hume. Quote:
"Finally, Hume suggested that since this was obviously a national story, Cheney should have informed the national press and gotten the word out sooner. Cheney's reply: "It isn't easy to do that. Are they going to take my word for what happened?"

Vanax: Doss, Yeah, liar Cheney is not surprised that the press may not believe him. The only way that Cheney can keep himself from lying is to keep his mouth shut.

Vanax: Gurjar, The hokey sheriff did not even give a breathalyzer. So much for an investigation as to whether or not he was drunk, which would then add to his illegal hunting.

Gurjar: Vanax, The hokey sheriff also realizes he can go to Gitmo if he orders a test like that, as an enemy combatant. You are either for me or against me, and all that.

Rigelian: Vanax how could the sheriff get a breathalyzer if the vice president refused to see him prior to the next day? The more interesting question is why wouldn't Cheney want to meet with the sheriff before that to make it clear he WASN'T drunk out of his mind?

Vanax: Rigelian, that would be a good question. If Cheney had nothing to hide, then he certainly could have cleared the air immediately by disproving that he was sober at the time by taking the voluntary test…I mean, assuming he wanted to actually show what was the true condition of his inebriation. *S*

Luvy: Sorry Doss, I saw the interview the first night. He said he had a beer Big freaking deal.

Clummer: Luvy and Vanax, I saw the entire press briefing. The looks of angst on almost ALL the hundred or so members of the Washington Elite Press Corp caused me to laugh a bunch. How DARE Cheney not call them BEFORE he ran over to his friend to render aid? It disgusts them. What a bunch of absolute losers Vanax and the Press Elites are.

Vanax:, Clummer, no, the Rightwing pressroom reporters were winners because they finally asked piercing questions. The dark boss dogs of fascist news felt it was safe to themselves to allow reporters to become attack dogs. But this was a minor incident. Is it Halloween? They allowed reporters to turn their masks around, from lapdog to attackdog masks. It helped to diffuse criticism that they ask Rightwing and NeoCon WH softball questions.

But the weasely media were big time losers when it would have counted when they did not grill Rice, Cheney, Powell, and Rumsfeld when they lied serially to get the war going.

And, look, the UN wanted just two more weeks. Two more weeks! But, no, Bush then stampeded congress to OK his invasion authority by discrediting Valerie Plame’s husband and his truthful report that Saddam did not seek Yellow Cake from Niger. This was because Bush was afraid that the UN would not find any WMDs, rendering his assertion that Iraq had them into a lie, which would have led the WH to lose the main, key weapon to stampede congress into agreeing with his warmongering. The press focused on blonde Brittany Spears and blonde missing Baby X. Cheney’s gunslinging is an example of Rightwing media having reverse priorities and misplaced loyalties, and being asleep in bed with the WH.

Spektre: Clummer, and it personally took Cheney over 14 hours to “render aid”? No. Nice try

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Gunther: Am I the only one chatting with Luvy?


Gunther: Quit talking about Cheney. Talk about me. It was just a shooting accident plain and simple, you toothless, titless twits. Milk it for all its worth if it makes u feel any better LOL.


Gunther: Why don't you people get lives apart from being in here?

Cecilia: Gunther, why are you here then?


Gunther: ~ Leaves the Tea Party ~


Cecilia: Oh darn! He left. (big loss) *S*

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Doss: Spektre, when someone with 2 DUIs under his belt tells a cop he's had “one beer,” the cop thinks - "12 pack at least."

SFChris: Clummer, let's be clear on this. The VP shot a man (all cops called off), hid it from the press for 24 hrs, selected his press venue etc. And you have little prob with that? Imagine it happened to GORE, you'd be pissing your pants with glee.

Clummer: Spektre, the press expected Cheney to render aid and then his next thought should have been to call these bastards....What a laugh. What losers.

AwsomeGod: Fuck the liberals and fuck the press. That's what I'd say if I was Cheney.

Intrepid: I like the way the Nazi SS held the deputies car back for inspection.

Doss: Clummer, Bush is VP. When the VP shoots a man, we have a right to know about it.

Clummer: Spektre...the press expected Cheney to render aid and then his next thought should have been to call these bastards.... What a laugh.

Spektre: Render aid one hour from the time of the shooting, to the guy getting picked up by ambulance and taken to hospital. Now, what about the other 23 hours? *S*

Clummer: SFChris, the man shot another man. It was Cheney's mistake. We all know about it now. What the fuck difference does it make how long it took to notify the elite press? Fuck them.

Vanax: Clummer, no, we all don’t know that; Only you blindly assert that. Today Wittington blamed himself for being shot by Cheney. Next he will reveal that he really shot himself, that he attempted suicide. It’s confusing: They each point the finger of innocence at the other. You would think they were saints with a martyr complex, until you see the deadly things they stand for.

How low will Wittington go to exculpate Cheney and culpate himself, just for a few lobbying dollars. Seems to me an old man like W., near the end of his life anyway, would start living a truthful life and make piece with, and tell the truth to, his creator and the people. *S*

Doss: Luvy: You didn't see Cheney say that he drank one beer. Fox edited it out. You just THOUGHT you saw Cheney say it. Fox knows how to fool you into swearing you saw and heard things you didn't.

Guera: Hog-I do think it's much ado about little, this Cheney thing. Thank God, Whittington survived. That's not to say that shooting another human being is not serious. I do, however, believe that there are much more grave sins for which to hold this administration accountable.

Vanax: Guera, of course, you don't say which of Cheney’s sins is more important to discuss than his gunslinging.

AwsomeGod: If I have an accident, it's not my responsibility to notify the press about it.

Vanax: Awesome, of course it is, and a must when you are the second in command to the executive of the US.

Luvy: Doss, Sorry I heard Cheney say on TV that he had a beer at lunch.

Doss:, Luvy, no, you didn't hear him say that. Fox edited it out. But they fooled you into thinking you saw and heard Cheney say it.

Doss: Luvy, Look again. It was HUME who said Cheney had one beer. Fox spared Cheney the embarrassment of admitting it himself. You fell for it.

Luvy: No Doss, Cheney said I had a beer at lunch. He didn't offer the info. Brett asked if there was alcohol involved. Cheney said I had a beer at lunch.

Doss: No Luvy, they fooled you into thinking you saw and heard Cheney say it.

Clummer: Sfchris, the man shot another man. It was Cheney's mistake. We all know about it now. What the fuck difference does it make how long it took to notify the elite press?

Doss: Clummer, The difference in getting off scott free and doing hard time for manslaughter, perhaps.

Hornball: Cheney has to define lunch. Maybe lunch was a handful of Quaaludes.

Clummer: Spektre...Cheney has a med team...ON THE SPOT. We're talking about a 50K acre ranch. Where was the EMT ambulance?...10 miles away?...50 miles away?....I don't know..do you?...This ain't the big city.

Spektre: Ok Clummer...so then Cheney certainly did not need to render assistance. The med team is already there, and a 50K ranch can't have an EMT helicopter land in it...especially for the Vice President's group? No. keep tryin. What WAS Cheney doing all this time, obviously the guy was being cared for very quickly...you just shot your own argument down.

Vanax: That's right; Drunkards usually underreport their intake. A beer to you and me would probably mean a 12oz can, but to fat Cheney, it could mean a half keg, or at least a pitcher.

And yeah, if you are against Bush or Cheney, you might wind up blacklisted, less funds for the sheriff's dept, or, in an extreme case, in Gitmo.

Intrepid: Vanax, I like the way the SS held the deputies car back for inspection.

Gurjar: Intrepid, of course...they could be a threat.....the Al Queda, knowing that Cheney was going to shoot a lawyer...would come in as the Sheriff's deputies and blow up Cheney with a car bomb.

Hog_rider: Here's my point: Republicans evidently consider a blowjob more serious than a gunshot wound. They giggled like schoolgirls over the press coverage of the blowjob and, now, want to claim indignation over the hunting accident. Screw 'em! They can't always have it two ways.

Rigelian: Luvy, from the man that translated the tapes. Maybe you should watch Fox news you might be more informed. Oh boy! *S*

Clummer: Doss, If I didn't know you were just bloviating and were serious, I'd really worry about your sanity.... Manslaughter....what bull. Case is closed. the man is alive. Cheney is embarrassed as he should be. You HAVE been notified of the shooting, so all is right with your fucking little world....OK?

Guera: Hog-that is true. I find the blowjob trivial. I don't find a shotgun blast to another person trivial, but I do think it's put the focus where it does not belong.

Intrepid: Guerra, Do you think Wittington would have rather had a blowjob from Cheney?

MystiMatrix: Intrepid, He might actually enjoy the blowjob.

Clummer: Dosset..you are a lying bastard. I saw it AS it happened..and heard it on the radio..probably 10 times this morning...including Imus, etc, etc. Go back to you hole and come up with something new.

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file: GunslingerCheney2of3.2.doc

Gunslinger Cheney:1 of 3

Chat Recorded by Lino Triestino, February 15, 2006 11.10 PST.
Boston Tea Party. http://www.sfwest.com

A Discussion on the Events Surrounding Cheney’s Use of a Shotgun to Fire a Group of 1/8 Diameter Lead Projectiles into Wittington, and Wound Him in the Heart.

Chatteristi: Cavu, Doss, Gemini, Imzadi, Spektre, Vanax.

- begin -

Spektre: This Hunting accident IS a serious matter. The Hunt itself was illegal, as Cheney did not get the proper permit, and then Cheney shot a human being with a gun, of which he had not received a legal permit to use during the hunt. So, use of an illegal firearm, during the shooting of an innocent person, well, this is graver then people are acknowledging.

Doss: Spektre, Of course it (the gun slinging) is gravely serious. Had this been Gore, Kerry, or Clinton, the Rightwingers would be demanding a federal investigation.

Cavu: Doss, no they wouldn't. Anyone who's ever handled a shotgun knows the terms ''sprayed'' and ''peppered'' are in common usage.

Doss: Cavu, he wasn't (just) ''peppered.'' He wasn't ''salted.'' He wasn't ''sprayed,'' ''marinated,'' ''rubbed with spices,'' or ''lightly dusted.'' He was fucking SHOT!

Vanax: Cavu, “sprayed” evokes water droplets; “Peppered” suggests spices. “Dusted” calls to mind a light sprinkling, all euphemisms intended to lessen the impact that Wittington was shot with a clump of approx. 250, heavy lead projectiles 1/8th inch in diameter. Such a projectiles can perforate the skin, penetrate through a chest, and pierce the heart. This is a serious weapon that can do serious damage and produce grave wounds, and this is exactly what happened. It is no surprise, therefore, that the county in which they were lobbying each other with guns demands a permit for such weapons.

Vanax: Spek, Cheney shot Wittington on Katherine Armstrong’s ranch property. Who is Armstrong and what is her relationship to all of the participants

The same question for Wittington. I believe that Wittington is a lawyer either for Halliburton or for KB&R. What kind of covert deal were Cheney and Wittington discussing? The WH spin machine and Cheney are blaming Wittington for getting shot when Cheney was at fault all the way.

Cavu: Doss, so where’s your proof that she's covering for Cheney? I predict you'll continue to dance and not show your proof.

Doss: Cavu, her dissembling language indicates the pains Mary Matalin took to try to downplay the seriousness of Cheney's gunning down of Whittington.

Doss: Cavu, here is a quote from a respected newspaper on the day Cheney did the shooting: “The vice president was concerned,'' said Mary Matalin, a Cheney adviser (and spin mistress) who spoke with him yesterday morning. ''He felt badly, obviously. On the other hand, he was not careless or incautious or violate any of the [rules]. He didn't do anything he wasn't supposed to do.”

Doss: Cavu, does it mean that Matalin believes Cheney was SUPPOSED to shoot Whittington?” Cheney in fact DID gun down Whittington. No amount of arm waving or gum-flapping will change that.

Vanax: Doss, “gum-flapping?” That would be foodless, non-vocal mastication. *S*

Cavu, Imzadi, this is being blown all out of proportion.

Imzadi: Cavu, It’s not being “blown out of proportion.” Hey, payback's a bitch ya know. If it had been Kerry or Clinton, the right-wingers would have been doing this plus.

Doss: Cavu, it is not being blown out of proportion in this case where the gunslinging lands the victim in ICU. That, my friend, is a SHOOTING. Not a ''spraying'' or a ''peppering.''

Imzadi: Doss, if this had happened with just a couple of Joe Blows it would be nothing. Except the sheriff would have interviewed the shooter on the spot and smelled for alcohol. But Cheney is not a Joe Blow. He is a war criminal.

Spektre: Vanax, Rightwingers are trying to make it sound like Cheney hit his pal with a water gun or something. Cheney is in favor of torture. I wonder why he doesn't just take the birds out of the cage and pull off their legs then pull off their wings and then pull off their tails while he drools and salivates and gets a woodie doing it

Vanax: Cavu, Doss has a good reason to be suspicious of how Cheney and Matlin are framing the incident. Anyone with a smidgeon of intelligence and a kernel of memory knows that Cheney has said that Saddam was in cahoots with Laden, that Iraq had WMDs, that it's reconstituting WMDs, then that it had aluminum tubes for WMDs, and that Saddam sought yellow cake from Niger, all lies. This is his track record and there is no compelling reason to make us think that he will stop lying. So, until we see a change, we continue to think he lies, and pathologically. If I were Cheney, I would continue to lie profusely about this as that is my MO. Anything less would make me look like I were telling the truth. *S*

Vanax: Spek, Hunting without a permit is a crime so Cheney is a criminal. I want to see him in court. I would love for him to get prosecuted for this small crime compared to his war crimes, for killing thousands, and for which he has not been prosecuted, worse, rewarded. It would be comparable to getting a killer, psychotic Mafia boss for the relatively minor offense of tax evasion. I hope it goes down just like this. *S*

Cavu: Jeez Imzadi! You are making a mountain out of a molehill.

Imzadi: Cavu, and why not? Rightwingers like you put Clinton on trial just for getting a blowjob and lying about it. By contrast, this is serious people. Cheney broke the law and THEN shot a man. This is VERY serious

Gemini: Vanax, According to the Dallas Morning News, “Vice President Dick Cheney was hunting illegally.'' If they could get Clinton for getting a blowjob, they can at least get Cheney for hunting illegally.

Vanax: Gemini, certainly a blowjob between two consenting adults is less serious than a shooting between two non-consenting adults. For the former, the whole Congress was the prosecutor while, for the latter, the Congress as a whole just continues to dump huge sums of taxpayer money into Cheney's Halliburton account. *S*

Zadi, I wish that the WH press crew were as hot and bothered over Cheney’s, Powell’s, Rice’s, and Bush’s lies over WMDs, as they are over this domestic shooting. *S*

Doss: Was Cheney drunk off his ass during this accident? We don't know yet. Was Bush drunk off his ass during the pretzel strangulation episode? We still don't know.

Vanax: We do know that many of Cheney’s previous claims about nearly everything have been found to be lies. From WMD in Iraq, to Libby not being involved in outing of Valerie Plame, Yellow Cake...all these and more were lies. Only Right Wingers would think shooting somebody was somehow less of a crime then a blowjob!! Rightwinger Cheney admits to having a beer while on the hunt, but drunks often lie about how much they drink, or maybe they are so liquored up that they forget, and because he is a proven liar, he may have also lied about the one beer. For all we know, he was plastered when he shot Wittington, which would account for his delay in reporting his shooting.

Cavu: Vanax, you are getting all hot and bothered over a simple accident. You are off your rocker.

Vanax, Cavu, You are defending the Vice President’s tardy and deceitful behavior? Why am I not surprised that a Rightwing warmonger like you is defending a Rightwinger warmonger like Cheney? I wish that the WH press crew were as hot and bothered over Cheney’s lies about WMDs as they are over this domestic shooting. *S*

Gemini: Vanax, why develop a simple, backwoods accident into a conspiracy theory?

Vanax: Gemini, with this crew in the WH, the wildest theories are coming true. This is the track record. This means that any present wild-sounding theory about the WH’s bad behavior is also likely to ether be true or to become true.

Doss: Luvy, Here is another quote:
''Cheney was at the very least negligent. Another questions is was Dick Cheney drunk? It’s a reasonable question to ask two days after he accidentally shot a companion while quail hunting. The press and the police were kept in the dark for almost 24 hours after the shooting. Why? Was it just typical, Cheney-esque, knee-jerk secrecy or did the VP need time to sober up?”

Gemini: “A Breathalyzer test is mandatory in most states following an accidental shooting, but it would be rendered meaningless if it were administered so long after the incident. Similarly, it’s not uncommon for a hit-and-run driver to turn himself/herself in to the police 24 hours after the incident to avoid additional alcohol related charges. Cheney has two DUIs on his record and still has the reputation around DC as a heavy drinker.''

Vanax: Gemini, Cheney sounds like a sleazeball: He is a drunk, a criminal, and pathologically secretive. And this is just while in the US. *S* Makes one wonder what other, perhaps worse, sleazeball activities, (besides sanctioning the shooting of other civilians in such countries as Iraq) he engages in while in another country under the pretense of promoting democracy. *S*

Spektre: Doss, Cheney needs to step down. He was as well on yet another ''hunting trip'' when Katrina happened. These two incidents clearly indicate a pattern of incompetence.

Vanax: Spek, yeah, Cheney should just quit going on hunting trips and pay attention to doing his job properly.

Spektre: Vanax, it's disturbing that even after the mayhem and blood letting in he caused in Iraq, that it still does not satiate Cheney's thirst for bloodletting. He continues to take extensive trips (the most recent in violation of Texas state law) to shoot birds released from pens. Shooting birds from pens is not hunting: It’s senseless slaughter of helpless animals.

Doss: Spektre, if you or I called our local police and told them ''hey, there has been a accidental shooting at my location'', do you think we would see a law enforcement person soon (as in an hour or two at most) or would they say ''thanks for the call...we will swing by TOMMOROW perhaps''? Sheriff’s deputy was ''turned away'' when he showed up to try to invesigate.

Cavu: Doss, the way the press acted today is exactly the reason they were kept out of the loop.

Vanax: Cavu, and just how do you think was the press acting today? You mean they wanted to know the facts that transpired and why Cheney stalled the investigation by the press? Or do you mean the intensity with which the press grilled Bush’s ignorant press secretary who pretended he had no answers about the shooting?

Vanax: Cavu, Hint: The WH and Cheney keep the press out of the loop because they regard the press as a despicable special interest group. They patronize only the genuinely despicable special interest groups that donate to their PACs or bank accounts and, in return, they give special interest contracts to their despicably favored lobbyists.

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Enemies Examined

Cold War Candidates Examined: Revisited

When I first published Cold War Candidates Examined in April 23 2001, Bin Laden had not yet organized the destruction of the World Trade Center, Bush had not yet abstracted the presidency away from the Constitution and used 911 as a pretext to replace it with the US Patriot Act, and Congress had not yet given him nearly unlimited authority and funds to wage war forever.

The US president had also not yet sown fear in the body politic in order to rally support for his hated presidency, as well as promoted a hateful, negative worldview. Also, I said that Laden was a sympathetic rogue which was correct at the time. He no longer is. Let's revisit.

That year, China downed an American spy plane, the EP-3E Aries II, inside Chinese territory. I suspected that the incident had something to do with a changing relationship of the US with the world, specifically with the US's need for a new military buildup and world-wide military expansion, perhaps as traumatic and monetarily costly as the Cold War of the middle of the last century that finally ended with the reversion of the USSR back to classic Russia.

But Soviet Russia had a saying, "The revolution is as inevitable as spring and as mighty as the spring floods" which could be updated to, "America's new world-wide military campaign is as inevitable as an increase in U. S. military spending and as mighty as the outpouring of political nostalgia for it." I was correct.

At that time, all the pieces for a new military campaign were just emerging; they are now in place: A convincing reason, a formidable enemy. But not just formidable enemy would do. It must have the following essential characteristics, I said: It must be perceived to be significant, formidable, evil, "distant", either psychologically and/or geographically, and must require a large budget to combat so that war profiteers can have an incentive to milk it for as much money as they can and for a long duration. Without a big, juicy budget, prosecuting a big war would just would not be profitable enough for war profiteers.

In 2005, these conditions were largely met, and have already been in place for two years. Our representatives and the president have convinced Americans of the justification for the expenditure of vast sums of taxpeyr money and even developing a staggerting debt.

I then examined all of the candidates currently bandied about as replacements for the Soviet Union:

Russia: I guessed correctly that Russia would not be the one. Its tax base is reduced to an extent so that it's economically disabled, and, what taxes it can collect are not enough for a military buildup that will effect the US any time soon. It is militarily weak, it's preoccupied with internal problems, its former Communist satellites are cleaved away and unconcerned, and are politically disabled. "Russian arms production for foreign or domestic use is 10 per cent of the 1991 level. Russian military expenditure is today only 18 per cent of Soviet spending in 1987". It would probably be decades before it could remount its previous peak level of threat to the West.

For these reasons, it no longer has the ideology of the old Soviet Union that helped it to develop an effective methodology to catholically promote and be the staging ground for worldwide instability. Russia is not a credible threat, therefore, no one in the US can remake it into a great enemy, no matter how much cold warrior Donald Rumsfeld and Richard Cheney can provoke them. President Clinton only managed a muted response from Russian president Putin when he and Europe subsumed many of its former satellites into NATO.

China: It only seems like a likely candidate. It's big, it seems formidable, it's distant in both senses, and its ethnic Yellowness and cultural mystery still makes Cold Warriors yelp in rapturous joy that these properties allow them an excuse to demonize it. The new US administration is doing all it can to frame China as our great enemy militarily in spite of the fact that China has not risen to take the place of the Soviet Union as a peer arms trade competitor to the West: its arm exports fell by nearly two thirds, from 2.6 billion in 1987 to less than one billion today. Further proof that China is not a military threat is that the Free Enterprisers faction in Chinese government has liberated a large chunk of the People's Liberation Army's budget when it introduced the One China Policy a handful of years ago. At that time, the military budget stood at around four billion dollars per year. It is estimated that it has been pared down to about 2.3 billion this year, a reduction of around 42 per cent.

So China is not the military threat it once was to the US and is unlikely to ever naturally become one to the extent that hysterical US Right Wingers, like Richard Armitage, crow about it from their rooster's perch. Surprisingly, it's becoming formidable on the economic front and will soon be competing for the world's oil resources with the West that is likely to make it into an enemy in five to ten years.

Rogue States: For the first two years after 911, NeoCons have trotted out the rather nebulous idea of "rogue states". President Bush has had the CIA operate domestically by publicly replacing the desiccated USSR with Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and North Korea. But they do not seem to have such capability. All of their armed forces have been in steep decline for a decade and a half, with the exception of Iran that is currently arming itself with nuclear missiles to protect it from an American invasion and President Bush's promise to not exclude using tactical offensive nukes in the Middle East. But this defensive gambit poses no direct offensive threat to the US.

Taken as a group: since the late 1980s their military spending has fallen 70 per cent." This means they now spend only 30 per cent of what they spent during the height of the Cold War. "Their arms imports are barely 10 per cent of what they once were." They are anemic.

By 2001, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) had already even downgraded the military threat of Iraq to an ever-diminishing level. "The DIA calculates that by 2005 their threats are likely to be less than 20 per cent as large as those of the early 1990s." So no way are so-called "rogue states" a real threat as militarists promote them. While the American public largely agrees, President Bush nevertheless invaded and occupied Iraq, a country whose military adventurism was contained according to Condoleezza Rice and Powell. This simply proves that Bush's America is more of a threat than Iraq was.

Drugs, Pot Smokers, and Drug Cartels: The US is mounting a massive propaganda campaign to promote the idea that pot smokers are the evil of the world and a threat to a stable and efficient work force. It has even packed up to 30 per cent of our prisons with pot-related criminals. Reality TV shows like Cops have shown policemen dressed in the latest military assault gear giving testosterone induced "high fives" at finding a pot field in someone's back yard and apprehending a pot grower. But because the pot business is not inherently violent, law enforcement's violent and intrusive tactics make cops themselves look like the bad guys.

The Right-Wing introduction of the federal RICO statute escalated the war on citizens disguised as an escalation on the war on drugs. The RICO statue allows any police force to seize property without due democratic process. This meant that police could take property, cars, houses, and land, solely on the basis of suspicion based on probable cause and do it legally. One of the most prominent examples occurred about four years ago in California. The Malibu City Police Department invaded an old man's house. He could barely see. "It is the District Attorney's opinion that the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department was motivated, at least in part, by a desire to seize and forfeit the ranch [adjacent to the Santa Monica Mountains National Recreation Area] for the government."

Last year (2000) former President Clinton gave the Columbian military forces one billion dollars plus to continue to ineffectually fight a cacophony of freedom-fighting insurgents, small-time pot and cocoa farmers, and drug lords. In the process the war has sprayed defoliants on people, legitimate agricultural plants, and drinking water. This war is broadening. Not only that, but because citizens in the USA know that the US is not only a consumer of Columbian drugs but also a huge producer itself, the War on Drugs in Columbia begins to reek and exposes the weakness of the argument that freelance druggists are a threat.

By these questionable tactics and the results they produce, mere suspects, pot growers, and even drug lords to some extent have been made to look like martyrs and US authorities as bullies. So, no, suspects, drug producers, refiners, distributors are not good candidates. Who else?

Taliban of Afghanistan: Recently, the iconophobic Taliban have trotted themselves out to further denigrate Arabia from which might well up more needed terrorists. But the Taliban is no worse than a typical toothless, inbred, US redneck playing a banjo on a rustic porch. Just recently, the Taliban's feeble attempt to meet even this standard fell short, when they promoted their misogynist ways as well as vilified themselves so dramatically with their public destruction of historically significant statues of Buddha. After all, an in situ statue, having no economically measurable value, is just a virtual museum piece".

I made the case that China only seemed a strong candidate but actually was not. While it attacked defenseless Tibet and destroyed its culture and artworks, and crushed the fledgling democracy movement, along with an emulated Statue of Liberty, in Tienamen Square, is making wholesale censorings of its fledgling internet, even demanding and getting Google to self-sensor by creating a sort of separate Google for China that would not mention such unspleasantries as Tienamen Square. But none of these events, in part or in whole, have so far convinced the American public that China is dastardly enough to qualify as the next great enemy.

It certainly was not for lack of want for not trying. Anti-Chinese feelings seemed to have been generated. Extreme feelings of anti-Chinese hate just take more effort, until a critical mass is reached. If allowed to develop at its own natural pace, critical mass would take years but the US can't take that long. Public outrage must be generated more quickly.

An effort had to be made, therefore, to strengthen China's candidacy by increasing its qualifications. It could be argued that the US government has already staged several incidents in attempting to achieve a critical mass of hate toward it.

1. The American Spectator and the Washington Times incessantly trumpeted the allegation that Vice President Gore somehow allowed himself to be influenced by China during his visit to a Buddhist Temple. Not only was this a smear against Buddhism but against China too.

2. A despicable attempt to vilify China occurred when the Clinton Administration vilify China by imprisoning the innocent ethnic Chinese national, Wen Ho Lee. It was a seven-month solitary confinement, as if to emphasize China's evil nature through him. The Executive Branch accused the National Chinese Lee, a scientist, of giving China secret data taken from Los Alamos. The subsequent Cox Commission report generated much anti-China fever in the West, even though the report showed no first-hand evidence that China stole any nuclear secrets.

3. The US angered China by threatening to sell destroyers equipped with Aegis detection technology to Taiwan. This has passed.

4. The US Central Intelligence Agency pinpointed the location of the Chinese Embassy in Serbia and the Pentagon then bombed it, killing several employees. A few months before 911, the Chinese say that the US has repeatedly flown a spy plane provocatively close to China, and within the South China Sea which it considers its territorial waters.

5. A handful of Pentagon generals have expressed their educated opinions that the next great war will be with China. At what point this strong belief becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy is anyone's guess. And China played right into Cold Warrior's hands, inadvertently or not, by allegedly downing the EP-3 Aries II surveillance plane. Read more on the EP-3 here.

6. Some Fundamentalist Republicans agree with the generals and sound even relieved that this piece of the End-Time fulfillment puzzle seems to be falling into place.

7. On the American TV show, 60 Minutes, Andy Rooney even tried to whip up some patriotic anti-Chinese hate by pointing out that the small, hand-size American flag that he was waving into the air in circles was made in China. Interestingly, this brings up the question of whether burning this Chinese US flag is patriotic or defamatory.

No, the US could not make China into a next enemy, at least not for the early 21st. Century. Perhaps when it becomes economically stronger in about 10 to 15 years it might be their turn to be the bad guy of the world.

So if Russia, China, "rogue states", the Taliban, and druggies (domestic terrorists don't count because we can't put a Missile Defense Shield over only a portion of our citizens) have proven largely ineffectual in providing a real threat to the US, then where do NeoCons find the genuine article? Well, there aren't any more qualified nations and, since these are the likeliest candidates for assuming the responsibility taking on the mantle of the great enemy, we have to pick one from these. The US already did a Cold War with the former USSR. Been there; done that. The public will not fall for an encore with it.

Bin Laden: And I was ultimately wrong about bin Laden and his Al Qaeda who, in 2001, were only beginning to emerge out of the rocky hills of Afghanistan and into the world's TV screens: Bearded, swarthy, turbaned, and unable to speak English. This is nbot to say that they were insignificant political and military presences before 1001. No. Before they became a world-wide movement, the US largely trained them to fight the USSR invasion force in Afghanistan and they helped to defeat it.

Who better to embody ultimate political evil for Cold Warriors? And he helped former Cold Warriors but current NeoCons in the effort because he did everything he could to focus US military and political might on himself. He was so far implicated in several international bombings and one of his associates has been found guilty of attempted murder here in the US. In retaliation, President Clinton bombed Laden's medicine factory in an attempt to promote his evilness but all we did was deny him and his friends medical care and in the process made him into a sort of sympathetic rogue. Of course, the Rightwing congress of the time was on a cost-cutting campaign so did not appropriate the funds needed for Clinton to wage an effective war on bin Laden.

This weak response only enabled and encouraged bin Laden to grow stronger and more organized. But then Laden planned the bombing of the World Trade Center, killing approximately 3000 salespeople, arms dealers, international financiers and support staff. His attack on the WTC was tantamount to attacking Wall Street, the purse strings of the well to do. He transformed himself from a mere rogue to becoming the inspiration for, and a role model to, disaffected Moslems. He became their messiah. NeoCons loved this. He became their pretext to transform a war on terrorists into a perpetual war on terrorism, which meant that he became an excuse to destroy American civil liberties.

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Honoring Invaders

Nightline (ABC-RV); 11:30 PM, PST. Newsman Terry Moran anchored a warm and fuzzy story from Iraq. It was about the devotion of US Marines who took a fellow marine to safety. This further makes it into a propaganda story. The post-Ted Koppel Nightline has aired many such one sided stories friendly toward the Bush war.

The fellow marine was no other than Bob Woodruff, an ABC reporter, a civilian, not a marine, injured while embedded with a US Marine patroll.

Woodruff was inside an armored vehicle belonging to the US when he asked to climb into another armed vehicle, manned by Iraqis. He was advised not to but, the feel good story goes, he just wanted to capture more of how the Iraqi army operated, to get more of that angle of the story. 10 minuts later, while inside the Iraqi-manned vehicle, an explosive set off by freedom fighters exploded, injuring Woodruff. The marines as quickly as possible, according to the report, removed him to the safety of a hospital.

"When a reporter is with us, he is considered a fellow Marine, and we help him/her just like we would help a fellow marine," a marine public information officer said. Moran interviewd several more marines, officers and enlisted men to develop the story futher. A civilian reporter, a Marine? How can this be so?

There are two issues of interest here:

1. How can a journalist report a story objectively when he is beholden to one side of the story for his safety and is in bed with it?

2. And how can the soldiers be considered helpful to anyone at all when they are in Iraq illegally, and, more importantly, Woodruff would not be there in a combat zone, reporting and getting injured, had the US invasion force not started the war on Iraq in the first place?

It is widely known that the Bush invasion of Iraq was based on false pretexts, false scares, reliant on phony documents, and the incessant promotion of them in a complient media, especially Rightwing media. But while widely known, now, finally, big media failed to report it right away and instead trickled it out, and this only reluctantly, hesitantly, often forcing the interested reader to read between the lines.

So the story should have examined these. Once again, what an opportunity lost! Oh my.

And then Terry Moran should have elaborated on how Bush got the US this twisted perception of itself vis a vis the war, but he did not. Bush's violent invasion force, which has killed many innocent Iraqis, all illegally according to the UN, continues to be portrayed gently.

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Dead Iraqi

I am regular chatter at the Boston Tea Party Chat Room, located at http://www.sfwest.com/, which I like very much. I think it's the best political chat room on the internet. It's populated by 15-35 people at any one time so a chat is always to be had. There is an abundance of strong opinions from all political, religious, or social perspectives.

The BTP was originally set up to be a freewheeling, unmoderated room for political discussion. This meant that neither picture nor any language was prohibited. This was good. I liked the freedom from overcontrolling chat overloads.

After a few Rightwingers and Fundies complained that some chatters posted picts offensive to them, the room owner instituted restrictions ~ a half year ago. It is now against room rules to post gruesome but truthful pictures about the war. This is a shame. It is not against the rules, however, to lie about the war.

Today, in the meantime, I posted this gruesome picture to show what Bush is responsible for doing in his illegal war in Iraq:

http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2005/09/dead_iraqi2.jpg

So let me tell you what happened to me (2-3-2006) in the chat room when I showed it. I courteously offered to remove the pict if anyone asked me to. I showed it three times and asked as many times. No answer. In the meantime, however, I removed the pict.

Then I learned that a Rightwinger Christian chatter (AwesomeGod) whined to the room's owner about the pict, so I knew that he would shortly have me banned; a fellow chatfriend told me so via a PM. He was right; I was locked out a few minutes later. The ban lasts for two weeks. I will miss the room.

So I instead described the content of the pict in detail. This is what I said:

This is what a typical Rightwinger thinks:

I am a despicable, self-hating Rightwinger who does not mind if any of my sons and/or daughters die in Iraq but I don't want to see a gruesome pict that may remind me of my dead son. This is why I deny a truthful representation of someone's dead son in a pict.

Here is what a typical Rightwinger refuses to see when sending his offspring to war:

Someone's son lying dead with guts spilling out from his cracked chest cavity. The pink intestines congealed into a pile, trapped by his weight, underneath his body. A leg maimed, hamburgered from calf down to foot...the foot easily turns backward because it's nearly disconnected. The intact leg is in tones of gray, the color of charred meat just off of the grill. The blacktop radiates with thick striations, grenade marks, from center outward like a New Year's sparkler, as if he fell on an explosion.

The shirt is in tatters, pulled over his shoulder, and most of his pants is missing, exposing his buttocks to the camera. What outrage.

Blood oozing on the pavement, mixing with gunpowder and dirt, in three thickened streams, flowing four feet outward, away from the wrecked body...A gnarled part of a cortex, still attached by a sliver of drying membrane to the split skull, an arm twisted unnaturally as if it belongs to someone else, the head of another victim in the Bush war severed in half, landed heavily in the front of the body, touching the dead man's broken back. It is difficult to distinguish the man's real head from the severed head of another, lacerated and soiled. Mercy.

Who is this anonymous person? I am sure a son of a grieving mother and dad, waiting for him to come home but never arriving. I am outraged by the actual event, not the representation. The Christian Rightwinger feels the opposite. He is outraged by the pict but not about the gruesome event. What is he doing here, chatting, and not in Bush's war, giving his all, his Christian life to Bush's gruesome cause. At moments like these, I am embarrassed to call him a Christian.

I suggest that chatters who are outraged by this picture call Bush and tell him to support the troops in the right way, by taking them from the danger into which Bush has dumped them.

How many more innocent civilians and how many of his soldiers in Iraq is he going to kill because he failed to prevent 911 and is now in a vindictive mood, and once again failed, this time to catch Laden? What a failure he is, and what chickenshits a few Rightwing Christian complainers and whiners are in the BTP Chatroom!

Afterward, a hateful Rightwing chatter posted a snide remark that it was written poetically. A simpathizer wondered if poetry should be banned.

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State of Disunion '06

Office of Sen. Feinstein,
guillermo_gonzalez@feinstein.senate.gov

Hi Guillermo Gonzalez,
A representative in the office of Sen. Feinstein said that you might be interested in the translation of Bush’s State of the Union from lies to truths. Some of it is supposed to be humorous, some of it outrageous, but mostly truthful which may outrage. I regard the translation as a patriotic service to community.

Original speech delivered by Pres. G.W. Bush, Wash. D.C., Tuesday, Jan. 31, 2006. 9:12 P.M. EST http://www.whitehouse.gov/stateoftheunion/2006/

Thank you all. Mr. Speaker, the very rich Vice President Cheney, Cindy Sheehan whom I had handcuffed for wearing a T shirt, members of the Rightwing Congress and despicable Democrats, members of the now Rightwing Supreme Court and the mistrusted diplomatic corps, distinguished guests, fellow citizens, and illegal aliens from Mexico...I like to say "Mehiko," the land of the Mohicans. Lots more of them down there. (Frowns from the Mexican consulate)

Carl Rove told me to say that today our nation lost a beloved, graceful, courageous woman who called America to its founding ideals and carried on a noble dream. Tonight we are comforted by the hope of a glad reunion with the husband who was taken from our midst such a long ago that I forgot all about him. I barely even knew about her. Just before I came out, I asked, "Is she behind the curtain?...under the bed?...where?" Dick laughed. But I am embarrassed by my bad life compared to Coretta Scott King's good life. She is showing me up. (Bemused grins from Black senators.)

Every time I'm invited to this rostrum, I'm fearful of making an ass of myself, and of sounding ignorant and forgetful of the history we've seen together. We have gathered under this Capitol dome -- you know, it's above your head, really round, and way up there, as well as mine. It is now my public moment to express hate for America, reminding myself of the innocent, job-seeking soldiers that am killing off in Iraq. This is a national achievement. We have served America through one of the most consequential periods of our history -- and it has been my honor to kill my troops, your children, for you. (Applause)

In a system of one president, two parties, three chambers, and four elected branches,...one...two,...three,...four -- very easy to remember, see? -- Heh -- there will always be differences and debate, which I want to stifle. But even tough debates can be conducted in a civil tone, I chose not to debate. I lecture. Nor do I choose to debate civilly. I am not civil. And I want our differences to be allowed to harden into anger. Only by hardening our differences can I continue to operate on the devisive basis expressed by my “you are either with me or against me” threat. To confront the despicable issues before me, I must act despicably while I expect you to act in a spirit of goodwill and respect toward me. As long as you are respectful toward me and I can be disrespectful toward you, Doug Feith will leave you alone, but if you do the opposite, his department will sick the vicious dogs of darkness on you. And I will do my part.

Tonight the State of our Disunion is strong. And, working in the dark, away from public scrutiny, I will make the disunion even stronger. (Applause.) In this decisive year, you and I will make choices that determine both the future and the character of our country. I will chose to act like a weasel in pursuing the enemies of absolutism, which I favor, or I just might retreat to my ranch in Texas for a needed vacation. I am tired so I hope I can force Dick to scale down my duties and give me an easier life in Crawford, listening to My Sherona on my U2 iPod.

Back in Washington, I will choose to tear down the prosperity that the great President Clinton ushered in. His willingness to pass on his prosperity to me allowed me to waste it. I thank him for that. I have torn down his prosperity by not leading the world's economy, by being a very conservative follower, and by being anti-science. Only that way can science behave to my needs. I hate the wide-open, free Internet. I thank China for forcing three major American internet companies, Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft, to sensor themselves to benefit its Communist government. (Wild-eyed applause.)

In a complex and challenging time, the road of isolationism and protectionism may seem broad and inviting, yet it ends in danger, toward decline, and away from my wish to take over the world and its oil resources. The only way to protect my hegemonic ideals, the only way to strengthen my control, the only way to control my dictatorial destiny, is by my absolute leadership, so the United States of America will continue to fall behind as long as I am absolutely leading. (Applause. Legislative branch liked the abrogation of its constitutional responsibility to advise and consent.)

Abroad, our nation is committed to an historic, far-reaching, long-term goal: We seek the end of democracy in our world, and perhaps even other worlds. Today I have directed the NSA to look for Al Qaeda even in remote places. We must plan to pursue them on asteroids, on planetoids, and on planets, places perhaps not yet in terrorist circles. Some dismiss that goal as misguided idealism, but I like to reach out even to planetoids, to make them my heavenly bodies. If Al Qaeda is on any one of them, we need to make sure that it is isolated. It must not escape and penetrate our atmosphere. In reality, the future lack of security from hard-to-see asteroids, the planet worlds, planetoid nations, as well as America, depends on spying on all of them, wherever terrorists might be, from Iraq to outer space. I have directed the CIA and the NRO to make scale models for Homeland Security. We must continue to scare all nations by refusing to rule out the use of nuclear weapons, and that’s why I ask Congress to increase funding for our Star Wars, Missile Defense System.

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On September the 11th, 2001, we found that problems originating in a failed and oppressive state 7,000 miles away were problems local to that Middle Eastern region. I knew that the state could not bring murder and destruction way over here to our country. There was no threat of a mushroom cloud. Dictatorships, such as the one under Saddam, shelter local dissidents, but local dissidents have nothing do with America. I know that, but I call them terrorists to make them sound worse than they are. Then I rile people up by dramatically overreacting in my public appearances. This conveys my outrage and radicalism, and I am better to convince people that my accusation that Iraq, which was innocent, had WMDs and get away with it.

But, since I did not find any because Saddam had none since my dad’s Desert Storm, now I just say that Iraq only either SOUGHT or PLANNED to have weapons of mass destruction. See? I flip flopped. First I said it had WMDs, then that they only planned to have them. Only the president can flip flop, not a presidential candidate, only a Republican can, not a Democrat, and certainly not Senator Kerry.

Democracies replace resentment with hope, respect the rights of their citizens and their neighbors, and join the fight against my aggressions so I don't really like them. Every step toward freedom in the world makes my job harder. -- so we will act boldly in the cause of oppression. (Applause.)

Far from being a hopeless dream, the advance of my domination is the great story of my presidency. In 1945, there were about two-dozen lonely democracies in the world. Today, unfortunately, there are 122. At the start of 2006, I regret that more than half the people of our world live in democratic nations. No one can deny the success of that freedom, but I will rage and fight against it. And one of the main sources of reaction and opposition is the many patriotic Americans. They are a perversion to the body politic. They want to use the noble US Constitution to combat my bad ideology and dirty deeds by dissenting and resisting me. They are near-terrorists like bin Laden, and are serious about mass dissent to promote democracy that I fear -- and all of us must take their declared intentions to weaken me seriously.

And we're writing a new chapter in the story of self-government, with women like Cindy Sheehan, whose son I killed in my illegal war in Iraq, and with women in Afghanistan whom I am allowing to be punished for voting, and with millions of Iraqis marking their liberty with purple ink, but who then change the red, blood-soaked bandages of their relatives that were bloodied by my bombs. And I don't like men and women from Lebanon to Egypt debating the rights of individuals and the necessity of freedom. Their freedoms take away from my freedom to dominate as many nations as I can get away with.

I seek to impose a heartless system of totalitarian control throughout the Middle East, and arm my proxies there with weapons of mass murder.

My aim was to seize power in Iraq, and use it as a safe haven to launch attacks against those who appose my policies in the world. While I can use my military strength to challenge them directly, I have chosen to also use the weapon of fear. This means that I can terrorize two ways, see?,...first one, then the other, one, two, one, two, back and forth. Like that. When I murder children at a school in Beslan, or blow up innocent civilians in Iraq, or behead thousands with my "daisycutters", I am actually outdoing any single terrorist who beheads a bound captive. I am confidant and hopeful that my horrors are worse and that my horrors will break their will, allowing my violence to inherit the Earth. But they have miscalculated: I love my freedom to wage war, and I will fight to keep it, and never relinquish it. I want the slimy Senate to stand by me. (Applause.)

In a time of testing my resolve to make America less safe, I find many dangers to my freedom of action to find WMDs -- and see, I am still looking, here, there, everywhere for dangerous terrorists. But, to tell you the truth, which is really hard for me, a wild rooster could do a better job. Candi once told me about a rooster who escaped and wandered on to the street. It started walking around the car, looking under it, on its side, pecking everywhere, really taking charge. You could tell it was hell-bent on its search. Regarding WMDs, Candi told me that Tommy Franks and I did not do as good a job searching for WMDs as that rooster did for seed. I respectfully disagree; I did a much, much worse job.

If we promoted democracy for real, they would leave us alone. But I am not promoting democracy so they don’t leave us alone. If I were to promote democracy, they would simply not move the battlefield to our own shores. There is no peace in my aggression. And there is no honor in my aggression. I hate myself and America likes me less. By allowing Iraq to become independent, -- by leaving an assaulted Iraq to fend for itself -- I signaled to all that I believe in my own ideals of my own fear and hate. But my enemies and our friends can be certain: The United States will not retreat from world domination, and I will never surrender to the new worldwide movement toward a democratic world. (Applause.)

America rejects the false comfort of isolationism. I am the head of a nation that is enslaving liberty at home, and pay token service to helping in Europe, and I am absentmindedly saying that the US liberated death camps, and helped rise up democracies, and faced down an evil empire. But the USSR was failing all by itself anyway, so all we had to do is take the credit. Once again, we accept the call of history to deliver oppression to the world and move this world toward hegemony. I remain on the offensive against Iraqi freedom fighters. I have killed or captured many of their leaders because it’s just too hard to find Laden. Oh Laden, where art thou? I am looking! But there are real terrorists out there like Bin Laden, who is still running and hiding. And other countries that aspire to freedom...well, their day will come. I am watching them.

We remain on the offensive in Afghanistan, where a ceremonial President is simply the mayor of Kabul, and a National Assembly are fighting and terrorizing each other while building the institutions of a new democracy, the kind where women do not vote. I call it a modified democracy, the democracy of a few good men...easier to handle for backward peoples. (Women senators frown.)

We're on the defensive in Iraq, with no clear plan for victory.

First, I have failed to build an inclusive government in Iraq -- and I tried, but failed -- so that old resentments will rise again, giving me an excuse to continue my occupation. But I have been building up to my wickedness for a long time. I will soon be marginalized and the world court will locate me and put me on trial. I hope that I am found guilty for my bad deeds.

Second, we're continuing to slow down our reconstruction efforts that are becoming even slower because my mercenaries and Halliburton are eating up tax dollars, and I don’t know what they’re actually doing there. Are they helping the Iraqi government to fight corruption and build a modern economy, so all Iraqis can experience the benefits of freedom? Probably not.

And, third, we're illegally striking insurgent targets while we train Iraqi forces to be as incompetent as we are, and that are increasingly less capable of defeating the enemy. Iraqis are showing their courage every day, but I am not proud to be their ally in the cause of real freedom. I just want fake freedom, one that’s dependent on disinformation and planted news stories. (Applause.)

Our work in Iraq is difficult because our enemy wants freedom, so I have been brutal. But that brutality has not stopped some progress of a new democracy pushed by the insurgents. In less than three years, the nation has gone from dictatorship by Saddam to dictatorship by me and my NeoCons, from invasion to euphoria, to chaos, to de-facto partitions, and finally to quagmire. At the same time, our coalition has failed to shut off terrorist infiltration, something Saddam did pretty well. Saddam kept them at bay. We also inadvertently promoted insurgent strongholds, and turned over territory to insurgents because we are wild-eyed incompetents. I am breathlessly confident in our plan for defeat; I am confident in my will to crush the spirit of the Iraqi people; While I am confident that my military will remain in Iraq, I am not confident in its skill and spirit to continue a civil domination and benign occupation. Fellow citizens, we are in a losing fight and I want you to join me in my loss. (Applause.)

The road of loss in Iraq is the road that will keep our troops there, even as I now build 10 huge permanent embassies, indicating that my occupation is permanent. I refuse to fully arm soldiers in the Iraqi army. I want them to remain weak so my troops will be needed there forever. I also don't trust them. We will never come home. As we digress on the ground, and Iraqi forces are performing less well in places, we should be able to further decrease our troop levels in one place but increase them in another place, hence making no change -- but those decisions will be made by our military commanders, not by politicians in Washington, D.C. If they don’t make independent decisions that I agree with, then I will find commanders who do. (Applause.)

Our dwindling coalition of occupation forces has learned from my disastrous experience in Iraq. We've adjusted our military tactics and changed our approach to reconstruction. We do less reconstruction and this creates resentment. I don’t blame Iraqis for joining the opposition when I give the best paying jobs to Halliburton, Kellog-Brown-&-Root, and my dad’s Carlyle Group. Along the way, I have benefited from a stifled criticism. I have even bombed the offices of Al Jazeera newspaper because I could not get it to print propaganda from my Office of Public Diplomacy.

And the counsel offered by members of Congress of both parties is, well, not needed. I go at it lone, and only pretend to listen. In the coming year, I will continue to say that I reach out and seek your good advice when I do not. Yet, there is a difference between responsible criticism that aims to weaken my illegal war plans, and victorious positivism that refuses to acknowledge my failures. (Applause.)

I have done a very bad job, and hindsight alone has the wisdom to prove it. Without hindsight, lessons can’t be learned. This is why I don’t rely upon hindsight. I don’t want to learn from past mistakes that hindsight gives me. Second-guessing is bad for Democrats but good for me. I alone can second-guess correctly, because I am the president. (Applause.)

With so much of my reputation in the balance, those of yoy in public office have a duty to support me unconditionally. This is patriotic. I like unconditional support. I love to be lied to by people who say I do a good job. I dislike candor.

A sudden withdrawal of our forces from Iraq would abandon Cheney and his NeoCons to the World Court and prison, and would remove war profiteers from taking charge of a strategic country. This is a risk I am not willing to take.

Members of Congress, I want you to forget that I lied about WMDs, aluminum tubes, mobile bio labs, and Yellow Cake. I want you to forget that a close member, Scooter Libby, broke federal law by exposing the identity of a CIA agent. I want you to forget that Dick Cheney OKd Libby’s breaking that federal law, and forget that he refuses to show with whom he met to divide up the energy profits. Those are bad reminders. But I am a bad man. Those bad deeds and lies are in the past. That debate is in the past. Old news. I want to lie about the future, and in the open: I must keep my word to my hated NeoCon federates, defeat any move toward democracy, and stand behind the weakened American military in this illegal mission in Iraq. (Applause.)

Our men and women in uniform are making sacrifices. I am sacrificing them much more now. I like that they are showing a sense of duty stronger than all fear. They are fearless in my deadly wars. They know what it's like to fight house to house in a maze of streets, to wear heavy gear in the desert heat. Soldiers in the field must wear expensive and bulky, flack jackets that are badly designed. I directed my generals to prohibit them from wearing cheaper but more effective flack jackets donated for free by their mothers. Top brass in the field deplore good gear. A colonel told a soldier to remove such a jacket and I thank him for his duty. He will become a lieutenant colonel soon.

Soldiers also know what it’s like to see a comrade killed by a roadside bomb. And those who know the costs also know the stakes. That’s why I have not yet completely amour plated all the HumVees. I am glad that I am not there. I was smart to avoid combat by joining the rear guard National Guard, knowing that it would never wind up on the front lines of combat in Viet Nam. I am a butt-fucker; I like the rear. I told my front line troops to destroy Fallujah while I remain happy with Cheney in the rear.

Marine Staff Sergeant Dan Clay was killed last month fighting in Fallujah. He left behind a letter to his family, but his words could just as well be addressed to every American. Here is what Dan wrote: "I know what honor is. It has been an honor to protect and serve all of you. I faced death with the secure knowledge that you would not have to. Never falter! Don't hesitate to honor and support those of us who have the honor of protecting that which is worth protecting." I left out the part that states that democracy is worth protecting because I hate democracy. Instead, that which is worth protecting is the profitability of Halliburton, KBR, the Carlyle Group, and my need to dominate the world. I am right in everything.

Staff Sergeant Dan Clay's wife, Lisa, and his mom and dad, Sara Jo and Bud, are with us this evening. Welcome, and I thank you for his blood. I need more. Do you have any other sons to sacrifice in my war? (Applause.)

I am grateful to the fallen. I like that they fell and where they fell in my war in Iraq. This will live in the memory of our country. We're grateful to all who volunteer to wear our nation's uniform for my wars. They are brave but foolish, and I honor them, but I would never join any of my wars. They are illegal. Let us never forget the sacrifices of America's military families. Without producing more children for my war, the war would grind down to a halt. This would be bad for me and bad for Cheney’s Halliburton.

I hope that the majority of Americans continue to tell their representatives in both Houses, that they support the troops. This is taken to mean to keep the troops in Iraq, and that I can keep them in my war for as long as I want, and that I can wage war anywhere for as long as I want. Truthfully, only when they start saying that they no longer support the troops in Iraq will I be forced to stop killing them, and the war in Iraq will stop. (Applause. Representatives love to fund this unlimited war with unlimited US casualties)

Thank you members of the senate and congress for continuing to say that you don’t regret voting for the war appropriation, for permission to allow me to wage war, as well as for your continual support for the U.S. Patriot Act. These are Rightwing initiatives. As long as you refuse to strongly and unambiguously repudiate them, and in public, Democrats remain indistinguishable from the GOP. American voters might as well vote for real Republicans instead of Democrats trying to be Republicans. There is less reason to vote Democrat. Carl Rove will send out thank you notices.

Our offensive against terror involves more than military action. Ultimately, the only way to defeat me is to defeat my dark vision of hatred and fear by offering the hopeful alternative of political freedom and peaceful change. I will prevent this. I will never offer this. The United States of America supports democratic reform across the broader Middle East, but words are cheap. I really want dictatorships. I can tell a dictatorship what to do. Elections are vital, but only at the beginning. Later they are bad for me. Rising up a democracy requires the rule of law but then the law needs to be broken to prevent too much democracy.

I also like to say -- the more times I say this, the more you are likely to believe it -- that I want to promote the protection of minorities, and strong, accountable institutions that last longer than a single vote. But I like single votes. Dictators vote once...one man, one vote. That’s why I like dictatorships. Too many votes dull the pot...or call the pot black...I mean the kettle is a pot...what I mean is that votes combine into a combination...a combination of votes, like a big pot of votes...where you can reach in and see the votes...see? (Laughter and mocking)

To further destabilize the Middle East, the great people of Egypt have voted in a multi-party presidential election -- and now their government should pretend to open paths of peaceful opposition that will reduce the appeal of radicalism. Unfortunately, the Palestinian people have voted in elections. And now the leaders of Hamas must recognize Israel, disarm, reject terrorism, and work for lasting peace while I wage war next door. Only I can terrorize. (Applause.)

Saudi Arabia has taken the first steps of reform -- now it can offer its people a better future by pressing forward with those efforts. Democracies in the Middle East will not look like our own, because they will reflect the traditions of their own citizens. Yet liberty is the unfortunate future of every nation in the Middle East, and each nation aspires to freedom. Their aspirations must not bear fruit. (Applause.)

The same is true of Iran, a nation now held hostage by a small clerical elite that is unilaterally isolating and repressing its people. I like this. I urge the leaders of Iran to bring me into the process of repression. The regime in that country sponsors terrorists in the Palestinian territories and in Lebanon -- and that must come to an end, unless I am invited. I want to join in. Don't tell anyone. (Applause.)

The Iranian government is defying me with its nuclear ambitions, and I must not permit the Iranian regime to get them. An Iran with nukes is an Iran that I will would be less willing to attack. I must have an easy time attacking Iran so we must keep it unnuclearized. The independent-minded nations of the world must not learn this lesson. I want to maintain an option to attack before anyone else gets nuclear capability. However, if it looks like it has nuclear weapons, but not too many to scare me off, I will use it as a pretext for military action or have Israel serve as my proxy. (Applause.)

America will continue to rally the world to confront these threats against me. Tonight, let me speak directly to the citizens of Iran while avoiding the elected leadership. This is because I want to undermine the freely-elected Iranian government: America respects you, and we respect your country but not your elected leadership. We respect your right to choose your own future, but only if it agrees with mine, and win your own freedom as long as you obey me afterward. And our nation hopes one day to be the closest of friends with a free and democratic Iran, just as it was during the Pahvlavi dictatorship when Reza Shah was your king. (Applause.)

To overcome efforts to reduce the dangers in our world to my over-lordship, I must also take the offensive by discouraging economic progress, promote the under-funding and mismanaging the fight against disease, and spreading hopelessness in otherwise hopeful lands. Isolationism would not only tie my hands in fighting democracies, it would keep me from undermining our friends who feel they don’t need me. We have traditionally showed compassion abroad because Americans believe in the God-given dignity and worth of a villager with HIV/AIDS, or an infant with malaria, or a refugee fleeing genocide, or a young girl sold into slavery. We also show compassion abroad because regions overwhelmed by poverty, corruption, and despair are sources of terrorism, and organized crime, and human trafficking, and the drug trade. But I only say that I am compassionate. I am not.

In recent years, you and I have taken unprecedented and deplorably low action to fight AIDS and malaria, expand the education of girls but not boys, and punish developing nations that are moving forward with economic and political reform with which I don’t agree. For people everywhere, the United States is a feared partner, but this makes life better for me. Short-changing these efforts would decrease the suffering and chaos of our world, undercut the vice president’s and mine short and long-term profits, and sharpens the conscience of our country. These results are bad for me. I urge members of Congress to serve my interests, which is the opposite of the interests of America by showing more compassion for me but less for anyone else in anywhere.

I must also remain on the offensive against freedom and justice here at home and I want your country to not resist. I am the enemy of democracy and have not lost the desire or capability to attack America. Unfortunately, this nation has superb professionals in law enforcement, intelligence, the military, and homeland security that are charged with thwarting my illegal efforts. Fortunately, these men and women comply with my needs when I tell them to help me. They dedicate their lives, protecting me, and they deserve your support and your thanks. (Applause.)

I want you to give them unneeded tools to add to the ample ones they already use to fight drug trafficking and organized crime -- so I ask you to reauthorize the oppressive and dictatorial US Patriot Act but which patriots call the US Fascist Act. And they are right. I hope to roundup patriotic demonstrators. I will do this by the creation of a secret police that Congress authorized me to do with the USPA’s passage. I appreciate it very much. Only by a spirit of bipartisanship between the executive and congress, and both parties in congress, could I even hope to make secret arrests, hold citizens incommunicado, and deny them the writ of Habeas Corpus. I thank you all. (Applause.)

It is said that prior to the attacks that I failed to prevent of September the 11th, my administration failed to connect the dots of the conspiracy. The truth is that I was warned and had ample opportunity to protect America. We knew that two of the hijackers in the United States placed telephone calls to al Qaeda operatives overseas during my watch. Due to my negligence, I pretended to not know about their plans until it was too late. So under the guise of preventing another attack -- based on no authority given to me by the Constitution and by a statute I wrote for myself -- I have given myself the authorization to create a comprehensive surveillance program to aggressively pursue the international communications of suspected al Qaeda operatives and affiliates to and from America. The only way this is possible if I monitor everyone. I know that this is illegal and I have hired lawyers, which I deny to criminal suspects, and marshaled a platoon of them to defend me during my criminal trial at the World Court.

Previous Presidents have used the same constitutional authority I have, and federal courts have at first approved the use of that authority, but a liberal USSC ultimately struck it down as unconstitutional. This was a sad precedent; but the process that struck it down was long as it wound its way through the legal system. It was fortunate that it took a long time to strike it down, and hope that it will take a long time again. In the meantime, the long process will give me ample time to subvert the Constitution even further. This makes me feel good. I am protecting my regal interests. Any attempt to deny me is denying my Constitutional right to pursue my liberty and my happiness. Appropriate members of Congress have been notified but not asked, and no dissent from my commands was tolerated from the people’s representatives. Dissenters will not be beneficiaries of my support during the upcoming mid-term elections. But I hope that they will not see that my threat is empty because by that time very few members of Congress will want to be associated with me because of my low poll numbers as well as with the rising scandals surrounding my fraudulent, briberous, and kickback activities.

But while it’s partly their fault for not monitoring my despicable behavior more closely, it’s mostly my fault.

I like to continually say that the terrorist surveillance program has helped prevent terrorist attacks, but I never provide proof. I may or may not have proof. You don't know. I may even lie about it. Proof is what you make of it. Proof to me may be just a lie to you. Sometimes I lie about proof. Sometimes I prove to myself that I am lying. That's when I know that I am lying but never admit to it.


America was told that I stopped 10 terrorist attacks upon our shores last year. This made me look good, like I was on my job, like I was watching the people's business. This successfully upped my poll numbers. But then the media reported that I lied, that it was only five at most. I will never talk to that reporter again -- no more access to my pressroom. Punishing reporters who report the truth remains essential to my security as an unstated dictator. Luckily, the truthful report did not cause my poll numbers to tank even further.

If my poll numbers don’t improve in the following weeks, or if Americans think that I have lost any more moral authority to lead the nation, I will trot out one of the many mild terrorist threats that I have held back in reserve for just such occasions. I will repackage it to make it sound like it was a significantly large threat than it actually was in order to demonstrate via this PR pres release that I am on the ball. Dick, in fact, has a wheel that he likes to spin. It contains the names of significant cities throughout our nation. Because he can make anyone sound like a terrorist, even the woodworking Shakers, we can make any threat sound more than it actually is. If the wheel stops at Los Angeles, for example, and there was no significant threat to it, we can make it sound as of Los Angeles is under significant threat. We will not even notify the despicable Democratic mayor Villaraigosa of the largely faked-up event because we don’t want to lie any more than we have to during any one fake event. Naturally, I will provide little proof to the affirmative but leave out any proof to the contrary. No one will know any better. I hope that the reporter does not find out.

If there are people inside our country who I will accuse of talking with al Qaeda, I want to know about it, and I will tap every phone, even the phones of members of congress. There may be Al Qaeda in the offices of our undistinguished senators. I don't know. This is why I have to look, to tap, to tap tap, and tap tap tap. Lots of taps. (Ridiculing laughter)

I want the nation to know that I must have the ability to look into every foot mail, tap every phone, snoop into every computer, and surveil every electronic correspondence to find every last terrorist within our borders. This means that no correspondence can remain unexamined. We must not allow any correspondence to remain unexamined. We must be vigilant. We must be weary. We must be alert.

Snooping is easy. I have already had the NSA tap the phone of Sen. Kerry when he was running. This is why I was able to stay one step ahead of him all the way to the end when I got the USSC to prevent me from losing. It was a close call. I will not tolerate any competition. I will also not tolerate any dissent, which I call terrorism, in Congress. Snooping on Kerry was also a reason that I avoided the rubber stamp FISA court which I knew would not permit it. (Applause

In all these areas -- from the alleged disruption of terror networks, to the quagmire in Iraq, to the weakening of freedom, to reducing hope in troubled regions -- I demand the support of our friends, allies, and dictators such as Musharif (check spelling) in Pakistan. To draw that support, we must always be clear in our payments to dictatorships that support us, and be willing to act like Al Qaeda. If it kills innocents, we kill them too. If it bombs clinics, we must too. We should not loose our leadership in terrorism. I will not tolerate a terror gap. I will do all that is necessary to reduce the terror gap. That’s why tonight I am proposing appropriate legislation to reduce the terror gap. America will not be left behind. (Applause.)

The only alternative to my dictatorship is a dramatically less dangerous and less anxious world. I produce danger, anxiety, and I wear people out, to tier them out. A tired people are a compliant people. Yet we also choose to lead badly because it is a privilege to serve the bad values that elevated me to the presidency and the mother that gave me birth. Recent American leaders -- from Roosevelt to Truman to Kennedy to Reagan -- rejected isolation and retreat, because they serve as my models for hegemonic expansion.

Rational leaders like Gen. Eisenhower, as well as George Washington, the dad of our country, like my dad, both were dads at one time, dad and dad...a dad of the 18th C. and a dad of the 20th. C...both knew that a president beholden to special interests who has weapons of mass destruction at his disposal (as in the case of Eisenhower) is a dangerous president, but I will not affirm that now. They also knew that America is always more secure when domestic freedom is on the march but I don't want domestic freedom to come close to me. Get away, go over there. Heh, heh. I only say I want security, but I want security only for me but insecurity for you. I want to spy on you. (Applause)

Our own generation is in a long war against a determined enemy, an enemy I refuse to state. This is to make you think it’s whoever you think it is. I could be your mama, or your neighbor. This is not out of the question. The signal could go 3,500 miles away and then 3,500 miles back, for a total of 7,000 miles. This makes your momma living next door to you 7,000 miles away, in Iraq.

It's a war that I hope will be fought by future Presidents of either party. If my likely successor is a Democrat, I will have tied his hands so closely to my illegal Rightwing and NeoCon war in Iraq, that I truly hope that he will be forced to continue my atrocities there. For now, as we are gathered here in this majestic hollow hole,...the whole hall is hollow, like a cavity, a hollowed hole, real deep...I ask Congress to continue to give succeeding presidents the needed, steady and limitless bipartisan support because I want to see many presidents in the future throw taxpayer money down this bottomless pit of iniquities, subversions, and to continue to spill the blood of our children and their children’s children. And tonight I ask for your unquestioning support. Together, let us protect my insipient dictatorship, support the men and women who are about to die for me, and lead this world toward my freedom to dominate the Congress and the world. (Cheers and applause.)

Here at home, America also has a great opportunity to weaken my overreach: I want you to join me to weaken the prosperity of our country by degrading our economic leadership in the world. Our economy was healthy and vigorous when Clinton handed it over to me. I then weakened it as soon as I could, but only now is it growing faster than other major industrialized nations. Unfortunately for the other two classes, only the rich are feeling prosperity. This is good for rich people like my rich friends and me. We need the rich to become richer, and destroy the Middle Class. We also need a larger lower class to staff our increasingly lower paying jobs that are in competition with illegal Mexican labor.

In the last two-and-a-half years, America has created 4.6 million new jobs -- more than Japan and the European Union combined in the last 10 years. But my economy has lost even more than that. This means that my total net job gain is in the negative. A negative president likes negative numbers. (Applause.)

Thank you. Even in the face of higher energy prices and natural disasters, the American people have turned in an economic performance that is the envy of the world. I have no data to back this up, however, so you can’t tell that I am lying.

The American economy is good for the rich, but we rich cannot afford to be complacent. In a dynamic world economy, we are seeing new competitors, like China, Mexico, and India, and this creates uncertainty, which makes it easier for me to feed people's fears. Fearful people are working people. They are afraid to strike. All they do is work. Some work at two jobs. They have no time to monitor me, and I am glad that the Congress does not monitor me closely. It has it easy. I, on the other hand, have to monitor every citizen and every member of Congress by using the NSA and the CIA. I hear your chatter. (Enthusiastic applause.)

But we're seeing some old temptations return. Protectionists want to escape a living wage, pretending that we can keep our high standard of living while walling off our economy. I want the low cost labor of other countries to degrade the standard of living of our own poor and the middle class. This gives more money to me. Others say that the government needs to take a larger role in directing the economy, centralizing more power in Washington and increasing taxes. We hear claims that immigrants are somehow bad for the economy -- even though this economy could not function without them. I want Mexicans to sneak over the border and take low paying jobs in order to lower the pay even more of low wage earners who are citizens. (Applause.)

All these are forms of economic subversion and retreat from a living wage for legal citizens, and they lead in the same direction -- toward a stagnant and second-rate economy.

Tonight I will set out a worse path: an agenda for a nation that competes by giving jobs away to illegals; an agenda that will lower standards of living, cut good paying jobs, and generate more new low paying jobs. Normal Americans should fear our economic future, because we intend to distort it to benefit the rich.

Keeping America weak begins with keeping our economy in huge debt and slowing. And our economy weakens when Americans have more of their own money for me to spend on wars of occupation.

Just before viceroy Bremmer left Iraq, he lost 8.8 billion dollars in cash. I will not point fingers, however. Pointing fingers means blaming Bremmer and I would force him to give the money back the taxpayer. It 's time to move forward and will not ask him to return it. Congress can just give me more when I tell it to do so. Loyal American taxpayers are endless fonts of money. I thank them. (Applause.)

Americans will also be able to misplace their money and gamble it away in the stock market. In the last five years, the tax relief you passed has left $880 billion in the hands of rich Americans, investors, and businesses -- and they have used it to help produce more than four years of uninterrupted economic weakness. (Applause.) Yet the tax relief is set to expire in the next few years. If I do something bad about it, American families will face a massive debt they do not expect and will not welcome. .

Because America needs more than a temporary economic contraction, we need more than temporary tax relief. I urge the Congress to act irresponsibly, and make the tax cuts permanent. (Applause.) .

Keeping America non-competitive requires me to be a bad steward of your tax dollars. Every year of my presidency, we've reduced the growth of non-security discretionary spending such as aid to the poor, people that really need it, like Aid to Dependent Families, schools, and students, and last year you passed bills that cut this spending. This year my budget will cut these again, and even more, and reduce or eliminate more than 140 programs that promote family values. I like fat-cat and military values. I am also cutting civilian programs that are performing poorly or not fulfilling essential priorities. I do not apply this same standard to the military and businesses that make military gear, nor those that promote military and fat-cat values. I force the military to spend and spend. This is good. It benefits Dick Cheney. By passing these fiscal impairments, we will save the rich American taxpayers who don’t need cuts another $14 billion next year, and stay on track to increase the huge debt even more. I like debt. It makes America weak. The increase in debt will balloon in 2009, and crash the economy like the Hindenburg soon after. (Applause.)

Thank you for the applause. I am also glad that you like my debt. I can tell you like it because you continue to approve my dept-increasing budgets. I am pleased that members of Congress are working on earmark "reform", because the federal budget has too many civilian special interest projects and not enough corporate welfare, nor enough military special interest projects. We need more of the latter. (Applause.) And together we can make this into a bigger problem, if you pass the line-item veto. (Applause.)

We must also confront the larger challenge of mandatory spending, or entitlements for civilians. This year, the first of about 78 million baby boomers turn 60. These people are old, including two of my Dad's favorite people -- me and President Clinton. He was president before me, before I became...ahhh president. Heh, heh. (Laughter.) This milestone is more than a personal crisis -- (laughter) -- it is a national challenge. The retirement of the hated baby boom generation will put unprecedented strains on the federal government as long as I waste money on my war in Iraq. By 2030, spending for Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid alone will be almost 60 percent of the entire federal budget. And if I continue to overspend on my wars, Missile Defense, HAARP, and big secret programs, I will present future Congresses with impossible choices -- staggering tax increases, immense deficits, or deep cuts in every category of spending, but never the military. I like the military. It makes Cheney lots of money.

Congress did not act last year on my proposal to save Social Security -- (applause, more applause) -- yet the rising cost of entitlements is a problem that is not going away. (Applause.) And every year we fail to act, the situation for large cap funds, and my rich friends, gets worse. They need to get their hands on retiree’s money via the stock market.

So tonight, I ask you to join me in creating a commission to examine the full impact of those despicable baby booms and their retirements on Social Security, as well as the twin towers of evil: Medicare and Medicaid. I hate these aids to the needy. This commission should include members of Congress of both parties, as long as it’s dominated by Rightwingers and their sympathizers, and offer genuine bipartisan solutions with which I agree, otherwise I will reject them. We need to put aside partisan politics, but only if I get my way, and make partisan politics if I don’t. We need to work together and get this problem solved to benefit insurance companies and the rich. If we don't, then I will make them rich by the use of my Executive Orders and my National Security Letters. (Wild and enthusiastic applause.)

Keeping America competitive requires us to open more markets for all that Americans make and grow. One out of every five factory jobs in America is related to global trade, and we want people everywhere to buy American. With open markets and a level playing field, no one can out-produce or out-compete the American worker. But I don’t want American workers to have a level playing field. This is why I am working on ways to cut wages down to 3rd World levels. I am positive that I can cut wages down to five dollars per day. This way our workers can compete with the workers in 3rd World economies like India, China, and Mexico. (Applause.)

Keeping America competitive requires an immigration system that upholds our laws, reflects our values, and serves the interests of our economy. Our nation needs orderly and secure borders. (Applause.) To meet this goal, we must have stronger immigration enforcement and border protection. But I will not fully fund this program because it seems borderline special interest. (Applause.) And we must have an irrational, inhumane guest worker program that rejects amnesty, allows temporary jobs for people who seek them legally, reduces smuggling and crime at the border, and makes it very easy for the temporary guest workers to then disappear into the population so that my Homeland Defense chief can’t find them. (Applause.)

Keeping America competitive requires affordable health care. (Applause.) Our government has a responsibility to provide health care for the poor and the elderly, and I make sure that I do not meet that responsibility. (Applause.)

Everyone knows this. For all Americans -- for all Americans, we must confront the rising cost of care, strengthen the doctor-patient relationship, and help people afford the insurance coverage they need. I have seen hospitals close due to a shortage of nurses and doctors overburdened with patients how can’t pay. I have confidence that the American worker, for whom my economy has created many low paying jobs, can get two and three jobs so he can pay his own costly medical bills. I call all nurses who have left the nursing profession to return and take a cut in pay and benefits and for doctors to work more hours. (Applause.)

We will illegally snoop into more electronic records and make illegal use of health information technology, to help control civilian costs, thus increasing dangerous medical errors. We will force the poor to purchase their own health insurance by asking them to work more hours to pay for it. I will euphemistically call it “strengthening health savings accounts” – by promoting the lie that individuals can just as easily pay for health insurance as executives employed by big businesses. (Applause.)

We will do more to make this coverage portable, so workers can switch jobs without having to worry about losing their health insurance. When? I don’t know. (Applause.)

And because my stingy economy has made doctors work longer hours for the same pay, they get tired and make more mistakes, causing lawsuits that are driving many good doctors out of practice -- leaving women in nearly 1,500 American counties without a single OB/GYN -- I ask the Congress to pass medical liability reform this year, instead of making the American economy stronger for us all. (Applause.) The weak performing hospitals should close because we need fewer hospitals in poor areas. They serve the community too well; bit and I will not bail them out, unlike Halliburton that I am bailing out.

Keeping America competitive requires affordable energy. And here we have a serious problem that I will only talk about: America is addicted to oil, which is often imported from unstable parts of the world. This addiction is healthy for my profits. This is why I still want to drill in NWAR. My budget reflects this. But the best way to break this addiction is through technology. Notice that I did not say that American should break the addiction. Since 2001, we have spent nearly $10 billion to develop cleaner, cheaper, and more reliable alternative energy sources -- all this money went to my rich, fat friends, and all this time they have been on the threshold of incredible advances. They will stay on the threshold for a long time. I like thresholds. It makes the public and gullible scientists feel that we are entering into a new world of huge possibilities. Naturally, being on the threshold is a profitable business model for corporations depending on corporate handouts for fiscal sustainability. My initiative will provide corporate welfare subsidies to companies that always remain on the threshold. I will do all I can to incentivize them -- with money I took from sick babies -- to just stay on the threshold. It’s a great place for rich friends to remain.

So tonight, I announce the Advanced Energy Initiative -- a 22-percent increase in clean-energy research -- at the Department of Energy, to push for breakthroughs in two vital areas. This will be a frugal increase to go with my cost cutting. 22% of a little is not much, so I ask congress to support this slight increase. To change how we power our homes and offices, we will invest a tincy wincy bit more in zero-emission coal-fired plants, revolutionary solar and wind technologies, and dirty, unsafe nuclear energy. (Applause.)

We must also change how we power our automobiles. We will increase our research in better batteries for hybrid and electric cars, and in pollution-free cars that run on hydrogen. But don’t hold your breath, and not too long either: A doctor may not be available. We'll also fund additional research in cutting-edge methods of producing ethanol, not just from corn, but also from wood chips and stalks, or switch grass. Our goal is to make this new kind of ethanol practical and competitive within six years. If it fails, it will be perceived as my successor’s fault. Blame him for the under-funding. (Applause.)

Breakthroughs on this and other new technologies will help us reach another great goal: to replace more than 75 percent of our oil imports from the Middle East by 2025. That’s a long time into the future, my future, your future, and everyone’s future. We all have a remote future, heh, heh, one that is way over there. (Leans for emphasis) (Applause.)

By applying the talent and technology of America that is now going overseas because I am really anti-technology, I can make it seem as if this country can dramatically improve our environment, move beyond a petroleum-based economy, and make our dependence on Middle Eastern oil a thing of the past. How I can reconcile saying “a thing of the past with “replace...75% of our oil from the Middle East...Do I look like a dork? Yes.” (Mild applause.)

And to keep America competitive, one commitment is necessary above all: I must continue to slow the lead on the world in human talent and creativity. We are too talented and too creative in the wrong technologies. Our greatest advantage in the world has always been our educated, hardworking, ambitious people -- and promoting Intelligent Design, we're not going to keep that edge. This is good for our God-fearing people making up our Christian nation. (Applause)

Tonight I announce an American Less-Competitiveness Initiative, to encourage innovation in some of our economy, but not throughout, and to give our nation's children a firm grounding in math and science. No art. I want everyone to wear gray clothes, gray underwear, and gray hats. Colors and design are confusing, too interesting and distracting. There are just too many nice designs. Government should lead the way. I propose that all government-financed buildings be large boring boxes with flat walls. I have authorized the tearing down of the state capital building and replacing it with a poured concrete structure with no beautifying details. I want them to be engineered for function only, so they can depress the staff. And all official publications use only black ink. (Rightwingers at least throw away their beautifully designed iPods) (Applause.)

First, I propose to double the federal commitment to the most critical basic research programs in the physical sciences over the next 10 years. But I may not devote any more money to it; I am just making you think I am. This is supposed to make you think that I will support the work of America's most technical and creative minds as they explore promising areas such as nanotechnology, supercomputing, and alternative energy sources. But I like nukes, and hope that the nuke industry uses up most of this corporate welfare. America needs to expand on the nuclear waste programs in despicable Nevada, our dumpinground.

Second, I propose to make permanent the research and development tax credit -- (applause) -- to encourage bolder private-sector initiatives in technology. The money will go to drab-looking innovations. With more research in both the public and private sectors, we will not improve our quality of life -- and that my underfunding will assure that America will be outdone by the world in opportunity and innovation for decades to come. (Applause.)

Third, we need to encourage children to take more math and science, less art and music, and to make sure those courses are rigorous enough to compete with other nations. We've made a good start in the early grades with the No Test Left Behind Act that is magically raising standards and lifting test scores across our country because we will be teaching children on quick ways to pass tests. This will be like magic. First you don't see high test score, then you do. Heh, heh. (Applause)

Fourth, I will punish teachers who produce low-test scores in our children. The test is everything. Tonight I propose to train 70,000 high school teachers to lead advanced-placement courses in math and science, but not art and music, bring 30,000 math and science, but no art and music, professionals to teach in classrooms, and give early help to students who struggle with math, but not with art and music, so they have a better chance at bad, low-wage jobs. I want to transform academically strong schools into vocational training centers. I need workers trained for my low paying jobs while we export the good paying ones. If we ensure that America's children are trained well in their vocations, they will ensure that America has well-trained adults who can work on the assembly line but don’t know how to create in the world. (Applause.)

Preparing our nation to compete in my wars in the world is a goal that you better share. I urge you to support the American Anti-Competitiveness Initiative, and together we will show the world what the American people can achieve in producing better armaments for my cause.

America is supposed to be a great force for freedom and prosperity but it’s not. I made it that way. Yet our smallness is not measured by power and luxurious consumption, but by my despicable nature, a nature that I want you to adopt, so that we all treat one another badly. So I strive to make a heartless, indecent, and hopeless society.
In recent years, America has become a less hopeful nation. Violent crime rate has risen to the highest levels since the 1970s during Viet Nam and Kent State. My own wars are largely responsible for the increase.

Welfare cases have dropped because those who need welfare have dropped from public records and public view. I have confidence that many became rich from playing the stock market. I like to lie that drug use among youth is down 19 percent since 2001. Jail populations are up, something I am positive about. There are fewer abortions but more babies in America than at any point in the last three decades, but I will not feed them, so I cut welfare programs to needy children. They need to start work as soon as possible. Then they will join my military for a job, where I can kill them off, thus reducing the rate of unemployment. This is why we need wars. The less people we have, the less welfare programs America needs.

And the number of children born to teenage mothers has been falling for a dozen years in a row, since President Clinton was in office. He and my rich dad are good friends, like...together...holding hands like in Gree...Greenback Mountain. (Uproarious applause.)

These losses are evidence of a quiet transformation -- a revolution of bad conscience, in which a rising generation is finding less opportunity, and an unfulfilling life of grayness. Government has played a role. Unwise policies, such as cuts in welfare for civilians but an increase in welfare for the military industrial complex, and drug lectures instead of drug education, and support for uneducated abstinence, and adoption of foreign children, have made a difference in the character of our country. And everyone here tonight, only a few Democrat and the many Rightwingers, has a right to be proud of this despicable record. (Applause from Democrats and boos from Rightwingers.)

Yet many Americans, especially parents, still have deep concerns about the direction of our culture, and the health of our most basic institutions. They're concerned about unethical conduct by public officials like me, Abramoff, Libby, DeLay, and my friend Kenny boy Ley, lots of lays...and are discouraged by Rightwing courts that refuse to support equal rights to marriage for gays. Many Americans worry about children in our society who need a stronger backhand and less love, and about fellow citizens still displaced by natural disaster, about my tardy or unavailable assistance during Katrina, and about suffering caused by treatable diseases whose research I underfund.

As we avoid these challenges, we must give in to the belief that America is in decline, and that my culture of suspicion and fear will be everlasting. The American people know that. We have proven the Clinton optimists wrong before -- and we will do it again. (Applause.)
A hopeless society depends on courts that deliver justice under the law to the well financed, and one whose president avoids the courts but expects its citizens to use the courts. The Supreme Court now has two dangerous new members -- new members on its bench – sitting on their stools behind the long bench...and wearing black robes and opining: Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Sam Alito. I hope they OK my illegal avoidance of the VISA court. (Applause.)

I thank the Senate for confirming both of them. I will continue to nominate men and women who understand that judges must be activists for my beliefs but must adhere to stari decisis for my enemies, and heartless. (Applause.)

Today marks the official retirement of a very special but questionable American. For 24 years of faithful service to our nation, the United States is grateful, but I am not, to Justice Sandra Day O'Connor who thwarted many of my initiatives. (Applause.)

A hopeful society has institutions of science and medicine that do not cut ethical corners – Only I can cut corners -- and that recognize the matchless value of every life. That’s why I am now killing more innocent Iraqis than ever before. Tonight I ask you to pass legislation to prohibit some of the most promising scientific medical research: human cloning in all its forms, creating or implanting embryos for experiments, creating human-animal hybrids, and buying, selling, or patenting human embryos. But I really liked the human ear on that rat. That was cool but I am pretending I did not know about it. Human life is a gift from our Creator – but I can maim all the human life from the creator I want in Iraq, a foreign land, where I can get away with it. Domestically, I want you to prohibit the discarding and selling of human life here, not in Iraq which is my testing ground for the violence that I may want to implement in America. (Applause.)

A hopeful society expects elected officials to uphold the public trust. I did not become president for that. (Applause.)

Honorable people in both parties are working on reforms to strengthen the ethical standards of Washington – I am not honorable so I don’t support your efforts. Each of you has made a pledge to be worthy of public responsibility -- and that is a pledge you must never forget, never dismiss, and never betray. But I never made this pledge so I can do the opposite. (Applause.)

As we renew the promise of our institutions, I want to also show my bad character to America and my lack of compassion, and less care for others, especially for the poor and those that I maimed in my war in Iraq.

A hopeful society gives special attention to children who lack direction and love. I am not hopeful but I want too appear so and fool the non-thinking. Through the mismanaged Helping America's Youth Initiative, we are encouraging caring adults to get involved in the life of a child -- and this good work is being led by our First Lady, Laura Bush. I know my promotion of her is an in-your-face slap to Democrats, because we Rightwingers did not let Bill Clinton have Hillary administer a similar feel-good program; we did not want her to use it as a stepping-stone to public office. (Applause.)

But these are different time and Laura is a different person. I promote relatives because I like despotism...I mean neopolitanism...err, nepotism, you know, where you elect relatives to public office. I elected her. This year we will add resources to encourage young people to stay in school, so more of America's youth can raise their sights and achieve their dreams, while Laura can build a track record of public service leading toward her presidency.

A hopeful society comes to the aid of fellow citizens in times of suffering and emergency -- and stays at it until they're back on their feet. But I am not hopeful and I care more about my generalship in Iraq. So far the federal government has committed trillions to my war in Iraq but only $85 billion to the people of the Gulf Coast and New Orleans. You can see that I care more for Dick Cheney and his foreigners up there and less for Katrina victims down there. We're slowly removing debris and repairing highways and rebuilding stronger levees. We're reluctantly providing business loans and housing assistance. We get mad when a few Katrina victims defraud the government but happy when Halliburton defrauds us out of massive amounts. Yet as we ever so slowly not meet these immediate needs, we must also address deeper challenges that existed before the storm arrived.

In New Orleans and in other places, many of our fellow citizens have felt excluded from the promise of our country. The answer is not only temporary relief, but schools that teach every child job skills that bring upward mobility, and more opportunities to own a home and start a business. As Katrina victims slowly we recover from a disaster, and my war in Iraq heats up and I spend more in it, let us also work for the day when all Americans are protected less by justice, and remain unequal in hope and less rich in opportunity. (Applause.)

A hopeful society acts boldly to fight diseases like HIV/AIDS, which can be prevented, and treated, and defeated. I promote a society that is not hopeful. I am negative and want to instill fear in your hearts and minds. More than a million Americans live with HIV, and half of all AIDS cases occur among African Americans. I ask Congress to reform and reauthorize the Ryan White Act, and provide new funding to states, so we end the waiting lists for AIDS medicines in America. (Applause.) But the money better not come out of my trillions you promised for my Iraq war. We will also lead a nationwide effort, working closely with African American churches and faith-based groups to improve America toward theocracy by this back door. They will deliver rapid HIV tests to millions, end the stigma of AIDS, and come closer to the day when there are no new infections in America. By my logic, this means that I will not allow any foreigners with AIDS into the US. (Applause.)

Fellow citizens, we've been called to leadership -- not you, me -- in a period of consequence. We've entered a great ideological conflict we did nothing to invite. We see great changes in science and commerce that will influence all our lives. Sometimes it can seem that history is turning in a wide arc, toward an unknown shore. Yet the destination of history is determined by human action, and every great movement of history comes to a point of choosing.

Lincoln could have accepted peace at the cost of disunity and continued slavery and he instituted draconian elimination of the writ of habeas corpus. It is a good precedent: My US Patriot Act does the same. Martin Luther King could have stopped at Birmingham or at Selma, and achieved only half a victory over segregation but he went on to fight for equal justice in the workforce and for better pay and benefits. I hated him for that. The United States could have accepted the permanent division of Europe, and been complicit in the oppression of others. Now I am complicit in my oppression of Americans. Today, having come far in our own historical journey, we must decide: Will we turn back toward democracy in America, or finish well toward dictatorship, my royal mission? The answer is clear: It must be toward my royal mission.

Before my bad history is written down in comic books, it is written in deceit. Like unpatriotic Americans before me, I will show that very deceit and we will finish last. I will make sure that we will not lead freedom's advance. We will not compete and excel in the global economy. We will not renew the defining moral commitments of this land. And so we move backward -- pessimistic about our country, faithful to its wrong cause, and confident of the defeats to come.

Because of all these failures, I will resign effective immediately. Cindy told me because it's best for patriotic America.

May God curse patriotic America. (Applause.)

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file: StateOfDisunion06.9

Letter to Congress

201 North E St., #210, San Bernardino, CA 92401, 909-888-8525
An Open Letter to Congress, via US Senator Boxer

Dear US Senator Barbara Boxer,

Summary: Please Kill the Overly-Patriotic US Patriot Act

I am concerned about how accurately or inaccurately the Legislative Branch represents me and how well or badly the Executive Branch protects and secures or risks my freedoms, rights, and person.

The Senate's majority push for the extension of the statutes of the USPA does not reflect my wishes and needs. It seems instead to be the Senate's top-down imposition of a set of unwanted, overbearing, and presumptuous dictates.

Kill it Completely

I want the Senate to unambiguously repudiate the US Patriot Act and remove it from the law books forever.

After you kill it, make sure that the USPA doesn not reappear in a different form, especially such reprehensible provisions as Section 505 and Section 202.

Maintaining a Non-Regal Presidency

Anyone embracing the USPA is disregarding the Constitutional wisdom that has created a Presidency whose powers are to remain limited. The Founding Fathers made it so in order to counter the executive's historically insatiable, inherent urge to dominate and, in America's current predicament in 2006, to take over the other two still co-equal branches.

Bit of Relevant History

Ancient Rome's transition from republic to empire occurred when Julius Caesar made the Senate irrelevant in the 1st Century, and then the first Christian emperor in the early 4th Century, Constantine the Great, avoided the Roman senate altogether by moving the capital from Rome to Constantinople. It seems that the present senate wants to do the same but voluntarily for the present emperor.

The amount of power the pre-Bush presidency had was insufficient for a dictatorship. Let's keep it that way. This means that, because we are not in a dictatorship, because we are in a republic, the executive is abundantly powerful for our republican form of democracy. We therefore disagree with Vice President Cheney when he made the mistaken assertion that the presidency is weak and that it needs to become stronger. We also disagree with Sam Alito, USSC justice, who advocates a presidency with expanded powers that transcends the Congress and the courts. But our country is not about further empowering the presiding officer: It is about the people. The people, through their representatives, need to become stronger. Removing unconstitutionally restrictive laws like the USPA keeps this possible.

So in order to prevent a royal, or even an imperial presidency, one that oversteps its Constitutional checks and balances, we want you to pass legislation to prohibit the Executive Branch from eliminating constitutional rights of citizens, as well as to prohibit the presidency from further creating yet more rights for itself.

Americans Deserve to be Informed

Further, prohibit the president from using Executive Privilege or National Security, these being pretexts to keep Americans in a state of ignorance and intellectual servitude about the working of the presidency, thus allowing the president to behave regally or criminally with impunity.

The Executive Branch has grown too large

It is unwieldy, and perhaps the president has a hand in too many pots, covert and overt, for Congress and the people to keep up with his multitude of hidden activities. A solution is to scale back the programs of the executive branch, or cut its funds, especially those used for out-of-this-world covert programs where the president demands a free hand. Cutting back its funds would make monitoring the executive less difficult.

Rehabilitation of the USPA is Insufficient

The USPA needs complete repudiation instead of rehabilitation for several imperative reasons:

- It eliminates the 4th Amendment by allowing the use of National Security Letters that give courtless, carte blanche surveillance powers.
- It destroys the Writ of Habeas Corpus.
- It gives the presidency virtual dictatorial powers when laws and procedures already on the books are superbly effective when followed correctly.
- It is a psychologically negative manifesto that appeals to, and promotes, mankind's lower nature.
- It keeps citizens in the dark by means of secret searches, secret laws, secret courts, unrecorded accusations, secret detentions, and in secret locations, tortured, here and abroad.
- It helps the president to become an outlaw among a people whom he asks to follow the law.

- It emulates Al Qaeda's method of behavior.

- It seems to be an eventual replacement for the Constitution so that the US Patriot Act will become the basis for the law of the land, thus indeed rendering the Constitution into just a piece of paper, containing empty words as the President hinted.

These effects are not positive but entirely negative, so rehabilitation is impossible, requiring its complete elimination.

They corrode trust in the American government, and leads citizens to wrongly think that they no longer have a vested interest in government in its current form.

Bad People

I am singling out three individuals who need to be called to task. They are dangerous and should be watched.

Alberto Gonzales, US Attorney General
Most of us disagree with Attorney General Gonzales loopy lie that "the US Constitution is a quaint document,” implying that it’s outdated or irrelevant, perhaps further implying that the USPA supersedes it. I do not want the USPA to be our constitution at all, and want its greatest promoter, US Attorney General Gonzales, to step down.

John Yoo, Prof. UC Berkeley
I strongly disagree with his political philosopher, John Yoo, Prof. UC Berkeley and denounce his dictatorial manifesto, asserting that the president has Constitutional authority to order criminal behavior. He holds an under-educated and dangerous opinion.

George Bush, President of the United States
If it is true that the President of the United States said that, “the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper,” please publicly say that:

• The Constitution is more than paper.
• God does not damn it at all.
• It's instead a set of inspired declarations, blessed by a transcendent power to guide America on pre-911 principles even after 911, but especially during the presidency of a bad principal administrator, against whom the legislature needs to fortify the power of individuals, by forcing the executive to relinquish many of his ill-begotten rights, so that the individual can assume more rights.
  

Please say that our great Constitutional, as well as all of our other laws that are just and proper, are agreements on how to behave as civilized citizens, from whom inalienable rights can never be removed, as well a set of ideals that have the power to exist separate from ink and paper.

My Voice is not Not Being Heard

With the exception of a few isolated Senate voices, it is deplorable that I do not hear this kind of strong, decisive language from the people's representatives. Why not? I am instead hearing the Executive's feral, unclean, and anarchic wishes through his compliant Congress, as if the two were one and Congress lost its voice. Why is that?

The mentioned individuals don't represent my values; they promote dangerous doctrines, and embarrass me. My values are American while their values are foreign.

And my wish to abandon the USPA is not insignificant during these dangerous times when the President and his eccentric federates are attacking the Constitution's very form, putting its future at stake, and when there are a paucity of new laws that firmly and joyously affirm that Americans continue to deserve, more, demand, the continuation of a government by the people, not a government by a compliant Legislative Branch out of touch with the American people.

Torture by Another Name

I believe that the Executive Branch does not have Constitutional authority to torture, this being a crime, a despicable alien value that baffles the Constitution and befuddles "original intent", so I am not surprised at the President resorts to the illegal practice of "extraordinary rendition."

I want those at the top who instituted a policy to torture, who gave orders to torture, as well as those in the chain of command who followed orders to torture and demean, these practices being subversive, and who participated in all those things that the WWII Geneva Convention prohibits, to be prosecuted for criminal behavior. I also want no one, not even any of Bush's troops in Iraq, the NSA, the NRO, the CIA, other departments of the US government, its employees, mercenaries, or private contractors working there for the US, to be exempt from prosecution for breaking the torture law of the Geneva Convention.

I also don't want the Executive to redefine torture, as already perfectly defined by the Geneva Convention, to be non-torture, this being a loophole to torture, thus enabling the Executive and his foreign and domestic friends to continue to torture.

The USPA Makes Congress Look Badly

I am saddened, outraged, angry, and surprised at congressional complicity with the president to transform my government, via the USPA, into an incipient dictatorship, which is unconstitutional, hence criminal. This may make any member of the Legislature who has not yet completely renounced the president's US Patriot Act into a subversive as well as a criminal. It is not too late to do the right thing and to eliminate it.

The USPA and the Constitution are Irreconcilable

Strike back with the same vigor and black and white clarity that Bush used so effectively in his divisive, "you are either with us or against us," statement.

Say that, Congress needs to be either with the Constitution or with the US Patriot Act. Make this distinction.

Continue with, "The USPA is un-American while the Constitution is American. Therefore, one can't champion both because the two advocate antithetical principles. They can't ever be reconciled. We, the United States Congress, join with other patriotic Americans to say that we stand with the Constitution, not with the President's treacherous US Patriot Act. It's either/or, but not both." Say this loudly and in public.

Spekespersons Against the USPA

Please don't have Sen. Kerry be the spokesperson: He suffers from an inability to make points succinctly, quickly, and passionately, and instead makes them in a deadpan manner as if he is lecturing to a philosophy class. This renders him into an ineffective communicator to consumers of media who are impatient to listen to the fine points.

USPA is Superfluous

Finally, the president said that he could do anything he wants anyway; presumably even break the law by criminally avoiding the use of the FISA Court. If so, then the USPA is superfluous, hence unneeded.

For these sufficient reasons, I ask you to kill the pathologically patriotic US Patriot Act. I want the US Patriot Act to die. Thank you.

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